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HeadBusta4LSU
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The private schools got to choose how many vouchers they wanted to take. So if it was a struggling private school like redemptorist They were gonna take a couple hundred while more popular schools might take 2





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southernelite
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the private schools have no obligation to accept vouchers.





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OldSouth
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Teachers are tied to parish and state standards and curriculum but these schools aren't.


Thank God.






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More beer please
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re: Jindal's School Voucher Plan Ruled Unconstitutional


That is something I was unaware of which makes a lot more sense.





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southernelite
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you do realize that the schools had to meet certain requirements to measure performance to receive vouchers. you're spreading the same bull shite the LAE is pushing out there that is WRONG. the LAE hasn't and will not ever tell the whole story.





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BRgetthenet
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That's all accurate.

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the private schools and teachers aren't held to the same accountability


Well, we know the reason for that.






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PrettyBird
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The public schools have standardized tests and other modes of evaluating the students progress and the teacher's ability, the private schools and teachers aren't held to the same accountability.


I agree. If your school is receiving state funding, you should now have a way to be graded or measure your students success, to prove the voucher system is beneficial

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What about children who start the year in the voucher program but then switch back to the public system?


This is why there are TWO count dates, October 1st and February 1st, and this is why MFP funding is spreadout month to month. It is not one lump sum for this exact reason. If a student transfers in the middle of the year, his new school will get the increased count.






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ellishughtiger
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re: Jindal's School Voucher Plan Ruled Unconstitutional


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the private schools have no obligation to accept vouchers


Exactly, schools like Redemptorist benefit from these vouchers. It's a shame, that place will prob close down now.






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SlowFlowPro
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There were major illogical components which would have been exposed by a variety of different circumstances. Why have stringent requirements on public schools, administrators, and teachers but not have many of these same requirements for the schools to which these students are allowed to transfer? Teachers are tied to parish and state standards and curriculum but these schools aren't.
The public schools have standardized tests and other modes of evaluating the students progress and the teacher's ability, the private schools and teachers aren't held to the same accountability. If the public schools are rated on a A-F grade school shouldn't the private schools receiving funding for the voucher kids be rated as well. How do the parents or politicians know that they aren't shifting their kids to an even worse school?

many of these require assumptions that the parents are complete idiots who aren't capable of making their own choices






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BRgetthenet
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the LAE hasn't and will not ever tell the whole story.


What do you want them to do? Advocate for the bill?



They are paid through teacher's salaries. Anything that puts public teacher's salaries in jeapordy is a direct threat to their existence.



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tylercsbn9
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How do the teachers you work with feel about this?



No accountability. Hooray!






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southernelite
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I mean, they're protecting their interests, that's fine. but too many people are taking what the LAE says for gospel. too many people are blindly backing teachers because all they hear from their teachers are that teachers are under attack. that's not the case, at all.





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HeadBusta4LSU
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Exactly, schools like Redemptorist benefit from these vouchers. It's a shame, that place will prob close down now.


This will probably be the final blow to Redemptorist






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ToulatownTiger
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Darwinism. Cant fit in with the best, then you will just have to shut down. Yall all sound like a bunch of damn libs giving away free money to people who dont earn it.





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fouldeliverer
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You still could have a student in a school for a period of time without the funding for that student. Or have private institutions receive some funding for a student who only spent a limited time there. As far as what I think southernelite posted the requirements for the certain private schools were very, very minimal. Remember at these private schools some of the teachers do not have any educational degree or training and some do not have degrees in what they are teaching. Furthermore the private schools and charter institutions are given much more flexibility on the school and classroom level with regards to discipline, curriculum, methods, class size etc which is good, but also unfair when trying to adequately compare them to their public counterparts.





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OldSouth
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re: Jindal's School Voucher Plan Ruled Unconstitutional


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Yall all sound like a bunch of damn libs giving away free money to people who dont earn it.






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BRgetthenet
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My neighbor lobbies for LAE. I'll say this, there is a disconnect between what they lobby for, and what their members believe/know/understand.

Most of who pay dues to LAE are just trying to keep some form of legal due process for the day when some kid says Mr. or Mrs. So & So did _______.

If you put them all together on the steps of the state capitol, which they like to do once a year or so, you'd see it isn't a very informed conglomerate.

This is Joyce Haynes doing what is in the best interest of Joyce Haynes and her buddies over off of Essen.






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CajunFootball
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re: Jindal's School Voucher Plan Ruled Unconstitutional


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they really have a problem with their performance measures


This was the biggest problem. Teachers don't want to take responsibility for the students in their room not learning.






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southernelite
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re: Jindal's School Voucher Plan Ruled Unconstitutional


it's not giving away free money. it's spending money that would already be spent on that student to a possibly better school for a possibly better education.

if they get a better education, is that money not spent more productively? it's merely shifting money, it's not free money






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PrettyBird
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This will probably be the final blow to Redemptorist


I think BJ will eventually get the voucher program some legs again. This program works very well in other states.

It is the way MFP funding is written in our particular state law that is making this unconstitutional. I definitely see JP finding ways around this.






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