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Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:06 pm to mmcgrath
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a civilian calling the shots? No.
You are out of your fricking mind.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:06 pm to Wolfhound45
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Not sure 10th SFGA had a CIF company forward positioned at that time.
They were training...
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:12 pm to wickowick
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They were training...
Hmmm. Any linkage on this? Or do you have someone who is in the know?
Just curious.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:18 pm to Wolfhound45
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Hmmm. Any linkage on this? Or do you have someone who is in the know?
Just curious.
It was in the news I will see if I can find a link...
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:19 pm to Wolfhound45
I don't have a link but I saw one in a thread a few days ago about it. I think it's pretty established that they were in Croatia training. Not sure if there was another one in Germany or not.
It seams like having your ONLY in-extremis force unavailable out on a training mission is a bit irresponsible. If there was another I don't know about it and I'm sure it's classified. If there was another I don't know why there weren't mobilized.
It seams like having your ONLY in-extremis force unavailable out on a training mission is a bit irresponsible. If there was another I don't know about it and I'm sure it's classified. If there was another I don't know why there weren't mobilized.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:21 pm to wickowick
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It was in the news I will see if I can find a link...
No worries. Just was curious. Could have made a tremendous difference, particularly if they had been in an alert status based upon the significance of the date.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:29 pm to Wolfhound45
Special forces could've responded to Benghazi attack, whistle-blower tells Fox News
Libya Attack Shows Pentagon’s Limits in Region (from November)
New Special Forces CIF Unit Stood Up In Response To Benghazi Attack?
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“I know for a fact that C-110, the EUCOM CIF, was doing a training exercise in … not in the region of North Africa, but in Europe,” the operator told Fox News' Adam Housley. “And they had the ability to act and to respond.”
Libya Attack Shows Pentagon’s Limits in Region (from November)
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WASHINGTON — About three hours after the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, came under attack, the Pentagon issued an urgent call for an array of quick-reaction forces, including an elite Special Forces team that was on a training mission in Croatia.
The team dropped what it was doing and prepared to move to the Sigonella naval air station in Sicily, a short flight from Benghazi and other hot spots in the region. By the time the unit arrived at the base, however, the surviving Americans at the Benghazi mission had been evacuated to Tripoli, and Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were dead.
New Special Forces CIF Unit Stood Up In Response To Benghazi Attack?
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The 10th Special Forces Group which is part of EUCOM is assigned for operations in Europe but is also secondarily assigned to Northern Africa as they have spent much time training and advising in Mali and Mauritania over the last few years. According to Lt. General John Mulholland (SOCOM Deputy Commander), the CIF team that AFRICOM previously relied on was from the 10th SFG, and at the time of the Benghazi attack the unit was on a training mission in Croatia. Shortly after word of the attack, the team was positioned out of Sagonella Naval Air Station in Sicily – a mere 500 miles from Benghazi.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:30 pm to BugAC
This has to get bad enough to pierce the media's inclination to protect Obama.
He is absolutely the most incompetent POTUS I've ever seen.
He has utter contempt for anyone that does not agree with him at best and at worst he pretends they are idiots through sheer arrogance.
You can't be an a-hole and incompetent while being president and not frick up.
This was his frick up.
He is absolutely the most incompetent POTUS I've ever seen.
He has utter contempt for anyone that does not agree with him at best and at worst he pretends they are idiots through sheer arrogance.
You can't be an a-hole and incompetent while being president and not frick up.
This was his frick up.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:30 pm to wickowick
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wickowick
Good stuff.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:32 pm to Scoop
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This has to get bad enough to pierce the media's inclination to protect Obama.
I seriously do not believe this is possible.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:38 pm to wickowick
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The team dropped what it was doing and prepared to move to the Sigonella naval air station in Sicily, a short flight from Benghazi and other hot spots in the region. By the time the unit arrived at the base, however, the surviving Americans at the Benghazi mission had been evacuated to Tripoli, and Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were dead.
I would like to know why the only CIF was away on a training mission on the anniversary of 9/11. I would like to know why it takes three hours to scramble jets out of Italy on 9/11. I would also like to know more about the ST dudes in Tripoli. Why wasn't the FAST team out of Rota already on site to prevent this attack?
I hate Obama as much as the next guy but these may be the reasons some of the brass was fired following the attack.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:45 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I would like to know why the only CIF was away on a training mission on the anniversary of 9/11. I would like to know why it takes three hours to scramble jets out of Italy on 9/11. I would also like to know more about the ST dudes in Tripoli. Why wasn't the FAST team out of Rota already on site to prevent this attack?
Valid questions. Pre-positioning of forces within EUCOM and in the Med was a military decision. Actual use of them was an NCA decision.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:45 pm to wickowick
After this CBS report came out. CNN and WashPost followed and mirrored CBS's report today. The paper, the Atlantic Journal, printed an opinion and spinned and contradicted the others reports that the second attack could have been avoided.
Also, let's not forget they blamed the attack on the State Dept. getting funding cuts. (After the youtube video fabrication was not working and weak)
It was proven to be a lie. It has been a ridiculous cover-up from then until now.
Dems accuse GOP of cutting security funding in Libya despite majority Dem support for vote
Libya Isn't About Funding Cuts
Also, let's not forget they blamed the attack on the State Dept. getting funding cuts. (After the youtube video fabrication was not working and weak)
It was proven to be a lie. It has been a ridiculous cover-up from then until now.
Dems accuse GOP of cutting security funding in Libya despite majority Dem support for vote
Libya Isn't About Funding Cuts
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:54 pm to Wolfhound45
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Valid questions. Pre-positioning of forces within EUCOM and in the Med was a military decision. Actual use of them was an NCA decision.
I understand that. But I think I read a link earlier that said the fighters out of Aviano would take a few hours to get in the air and that there was no tanker assets available. Seeing how I believe the only real response that would have made a difference here was air support on station quickly, I want to know why we don't have alert fighters ready to go within a max of 30 minutes.
Of course the SF dudes in Tripoli is an interesting development and I'm looking forward to hearing more about that.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:59 pm to cajunangelle
Read through some of the comments, this is from October... Could the U.S. Have Sent a Rescue Force to Libya?
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“British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.”
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The idea that there are "chemical sites" sure is encouraging. The only fact is that we had F-126s at Aviano that could have gotten there prior to Ty and Glen being killed. The idea of asking British forces for help is really interesting. Sounds like something that the Embassy should have thought of. Since the Brits closed their Benghazi consulate two months before, and their Ambassador's convoy had been attacked shortly before that; why were there British forces (SBS or SAS) in Benghazi? Why do these stories repeatedly refer to F-18s? There were no carries capable of supporting F-18s in the Med and why would F-18s be sitting at Rota or Sigonella (both Navy joint base)? Why would anyone refer to Turkey as a United Nations ally when there is no such thing and they are our NATO allies? Everybody is ignoring AFRICOM's joint base at Djibouti. That base is packed with SOCOM troops and aircraft and 4 hours away.
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“British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I understand that. But I think I read a link earlier that said the fighters out of Aviano would take a few hours to get in the air and that there was no tanker assets available. Seeing how I believe the only real response that would have made a difference here was air support on station quickly, I want to know why we don't have alert fighters ready to go within a max of 30 minutes.
These are the things that the average citizen does not understand. Just because an asset is within XXX miles of the incident does not mean they can respond in a timely fashion.
Fuel. Maintenance. Armaments. All require pre-planning.
Critical.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:10 pm to Wolfhound45
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These are the things that the average citizen does not understand. Just because an asset is within XXX miles of the incident does not mean they can respond in a timely fashion.
No. I understand. I also understand that it doesn't take long to get alert fighters in the air. You have a plane already pre-flighted, fueled, and armed ready to go. No one goes near it once it's ready. Then you have pilots sit boring arse shifts in the ready room playing video games or whatever until they get the call. They get a brief and blast off.
The fact is that there weren't any alert fighters and that is a failures on the anniversary of 9/11. It certainly been quicker than trying to move 40 spec ops guys from over a thousand miles away on another continent.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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GeauxxxTigers23
Trust me, it is clear to me (thirty plus years and counting in uniform) that you know what you are talking about. I am agreeing with you.
Considering the significance of the date and available intelligence, some form of alert force (minimum air and ground) should have been identified.
Apparently,nothing.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:23 pm to wickowick
It has hit the news circuit yet televised CNN and others were talking about everything but this. I wonder if the UK paper gives more insight? It seems like the lawyers for the whistle blowers are being careful in not letting the whole kit and kaboodle out at once?
Benghazi attacks: Top diplomat says government denied Special Forces permission to intervene | Mail Online
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Diplomat: US team stopped from going to Benghazi - Yahoo! News
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Special ops halted from responding to Benghazi attacks, U.S. diplomat says - The Washington Post
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Benghazi Attack: U.S. Special Forces Team Stopped From Going To Libya, Former Diplomat Gregory Hicks Claims
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US Diplomat Reignites Benghazi Controversy - ABC News
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Benghazi hearing: U.S. military assets were told to stand down - CNN.com
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Benghazi attacks: Top diplomat says government denied Special Forces permission to intervene | Mail Online
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Diplomat: US team stopped from going to Benghazi - Yahoo! News
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Special ops halted from responding to Benghazi attacks, U.S. diplomat says - The Washington Post
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Benghazi Attack: U.S. Special Forces Team Stopped From Going To Libya, Former Diplomat Gregory Hicks Claims
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US Diplomat Reignites Benghazi Controversy - ABC News
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Benghazi hearing: U.S. military assets were told to stand down - CNN.com
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