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The "He'll Make a Great Coach" Argument
Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:26 am
I see this all the time on this and other boards. We talk about a player, be it college or pro, that isn't cutting it. Inevitably, someone always makes the comment "If he doesn't make it as a player, he'll definitely make a great coach." What leads people to say this constantly?
For example, over on the Rant this is thrown out about Russell Shepard all the time. What about that guy, in his four years at LSU, would lead you to believe he would be an effective coach? A kid who had four years to learn to run routes and never picked it up is gonna make a good coach? A kid who constantly was on Twitter bitching about team related issues is gonna make a good coach? Come on.
When you look at a guy like Peyton Manning and say "He'll make a good coach," I dont think anyone would think you were being too far fetched. A guy who's made his living calling the game at the line of scrimmage, who you've seen feature after feature about his level of preparation and involvement in the offense. There are tangibles that you can refer to when talking about a guy like that.
But is this statement thrown around for certain players because they are nice guys? Well liked? Good locker room prescience?
For example, over on the Rant this is thrown out about Russell Shepard all the time. What about that guy, in his four years at LSU, would lead you to believe he would be an effective coach? A kid who had four years to learn to run routes and never picked it up is gonna make a good coach? A kid who constantly was on Twitter bitching about team related issues is gonna make a good coach? Come on.
When you look at a guy like Peyton Manning and say "He'll make a good coach," I dont think anyone would think you were being too far fetched. A guy who's made his living calling the game at the line of scrimmage, who you've seen feature after feature about his level of preparation and involvement in the offense. There are tangibles that you can refer to when talking about a guy like that.
But is this statement thrown around for certain players because they are nice guys? Well liked? Good locker room prescience?
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 11:58 am
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Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:27 am to elprez00
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But is this statement thrown around for certain players because they are nice guys? Well liked? Good locker room prescience?
Mostly white guys.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:31 am to elprez00
FWIW, I don't think either Shep or Manning would make great coaches. Manning even said himself that he can't call plays if he's not the one runnning them.
Some guys have productive pro careers based more on savvy, smarts, and effort than on pure talent. Those guys are more likely to become good coaches.
Some guys have productive pro careers based more on savvy, smarts, and effort than on pure talent. Those guys are more likely to become good coaches.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:31 am to craigbiggio
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Mostly white guys.
i hear it just as much about black guys too...
EDIT: usually when i'm watching NBA games...
This post was edited on 4/30/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/30/13 at 8:32 am to craigbiggio
It's usually a way of saying "this guy doesn't have the skills to be a star, but he knows all the ins and outs of the game and got as far as he got because that"
I think it's a fair commentary and I don't think it's thrown around too often. It is applicable in many cases.
I think it's a fair commentary and I don't think it's thrown around too often. It is applicable in many cases.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:24 am to motorbreath
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It's usually a way of saying "this guy doesn't have the skills to be a star, but he knows all the ins and outs of the game and got as far as he got because that"
I agree that this is the way that most people mean by the statement. However I agree with the OP that many people assume that any football player that is well liked will make a good coach.
I don't think a lot of those guys would make good head coaches or even coordinators. Many of those guys do not seem heady enough to be the type of tactician required by those positions.
However I do think many of these guys could have smaller assistant roles because they could be great motivators. Not every assistant wants to be the HBC, and many are very good at doing the small stuff.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 10:51 am to Bmath
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Many of those guys do not seem heady enough to be the type of tactician required by those positions.
I find that this commentary is usually directed towards the heady players.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 11:29 am to motorbreath
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I find that this commentary is usually directed towards the heady players.
The OP mentioned RS10 from LSU. So that's why I chose that example.
With Peyton I could see where he would make a terrible OC because he can't call from the LOS, or know which play he is more comfortable with.
He may be a really good field general, but put him in the booth and he could be terrible.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 11:32 am to elprez00
In school I knew our offensive line plays/assignments in and out plus I knew all of the techniques and how to do it but I also lacked the size and strength to play past high school. I could've coached the hell out of it though. 
Posted on 4/30/13 at 12:00 pm to elprez00
i feel these types of statements are made when a player is limited physically, but maximizes the mental side of the game- whether it be leadership, preparation, or work ethic-- usually all 3.
extremely talented players rarely make good coaches. they just cant understand why everyone cant do what they did. it usually came easy for these types, they dont understand the psyche of the bottom half of the roster and the things they have to do to be part of the team.
as for RS10, i cant really imagine why people think he'd be a good coach for the reasons you pointed out. if thats something that intrigues him, i hope he proves me wrong and is great. i have my doubts, but im pulling for the kid.
extremely talented players rarely make good coaches. they just cant understand why everyone cant do what they did. it usually came easy for these types, they dont understand the psyche of the bottom half of the roster and the things they have to do to be part of the team.
as for RS10, i cant really imagine why people think he'd be a good coach for the reasons you pointed out. if thats something that intrigues him, i hope he proves me wrong and is great. i have my doubts, but im pulling for the kid.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 12:15 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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i feel these types of statements are made when a player is limited physically, but maximizes the mental side of the game- whether it be leadership, preparation, or work ethic-- usually all 3.
extremely talented players rarely make good coaches. they just cant understand why everyone cant do what they did. it usually came easy for these types, they dont understand the psyche of the bottom half of the roster and the things they have to do to be part of the team.
Agreed. Also, for some reason, certain positions seem to become coaches more than others. Catchers become managers, offensive linemen become head coaches. I don't know if that means anything or is just a fluke.
But bad players make better coaches than great players, generally.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 12:48 pm to Baloo
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Agreed. Also, for some reason, certain positions seem to become coaches more than others. Catchers become managers, offensive linemen become head coaches. I don't know if that means anything or is just a fluke.
But bad players make better coaches than great players, generally.
I feel O-line translates well to coaching because it's a position that requires you to be aware of everyone else's assignments. Your exact steps and assignments as a guard have a huge effect on the tackle, center and the running backs. The blocks are often very intricate. A WR is out there running in space perhaps only adjusting to the CB and maybe a safety.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 1:00 pm to BayouBengal
Another reason that great players don't make great coaches is that they spend too long playing. Marginal players are out of the game quicker and can learn for a decade where as former great players are immediately thrust into the coaching spotlight. The marginal players have the formative years of their late 20's and 30's on how to be a better coach. The great players are still playing the game.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 1:26 pm to elprez00
I think it started with Charlie Conway.
Posted on 4/30/13 at 2:11 pm to elprez00
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There are tangibles that you can refer to when talking about a guy like that.
But is this statement thrown around for certain players because they are nice guys? Well liked? Good locker room prescience?
A catcher that can speak Spanish.
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