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the LSUSaint
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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22 years ago? I can't promise that, and I'm almost certain neither could any of you.


Doesn't make it less of a crime, but thanks for the babble....

You simply cannot hit someone from behind that is not posing a threat to you.

Kid in Laffy is on trial for Murder 1 right now....he woke up to find kids burglarizing his vehicle. Grabbed a pistol and ran outside and shot at the vehicle as it moved AWAY from him....got extremely unlucky and hit one in the head......so it's murder....now fast forward to Hill..

If the guy he punched would have died from the punch, Hill would be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide at least...Do you really think it would matter if the N word was said by the guy on the ground and or walking away?

NO!...So that is why Hill is charged. SO all you guys taking how it was in the old days, guys fight, yada yada yada, etc. really need to ease up...All things in life are more closely watched now, so too bad for those who get caught on video. No matter what the guy walking away said, if Hill felt threatened, he could have turned and ran. I've heard the young man can move pretty quickly when trying to get away from large fast enemies.






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1984Tiger
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Member since Apr 2006
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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You simply cannot hit someone from behind that is not posing a threat to you.

So you've seen the video, or are you basing your assumptions off what the media chooses to report? Because my understanding is that the media hasn't seen the video either, yet they're making statements like they're fact. Who are they to say whether the 'victim' still posed a threat based off a 15 second video clip (that they haven't seen)?






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TheShwenz
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


This is how it will probably go down:

They already pinned second degree battery on the other suspect because he's the one who knocked him unconscious.

From what little we know, it doesn't sound like Hill will be charged with anything greater than simple battery. Only other possibility is second degree battery which requires specific intent to invoke serious bodily injury. Since it sounds like the "victim" doesn't have any serious injuries, and it was the other guy that knocked him unconscious, then it just seems doubtful they'll go past simple battery with Hill. But it's all a matter of interpretation and what they want to infer about his intent from the video. Maybe they make a big deal about the hit in the video being in the back/side of the head, maybe they don't. But it helps that the guy wasn't seriously hurt.

As for his probation, I don't know what the conditions were. I'm sure this would be a violation, so it is up to the judge's discretion of how to handle it. That's where all the speculation about what was said before the fight comes in. None of it justifies Hill's actions, or makes him less guilty, but the judge may consider it when deciding how, or if, Hill will be reprimanded.

Here's the relevant snippets from the Louisiana Code of Criminal Procedure:

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Art. 900. Violation hearing; sanctions
A. …..The hearing may be informal or summary. If the court decides that the defendant has violated, or was about to violate, a condition of his probation it may:
(1) Reprimand and warn the defendant.
(2) Order that supervision be intensified.
(3) Add additional conditions to the probation.


So the court can basically give him a slap on the wrist if they want, or they can go full retard and consider revoking his probation and possible jail time.

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D. When a court considers the revocation of probation, the court shall consider aggravating and mitigating circumstances in the case, including but not limited to the circumstances stated in Article 894.1.


The only real aggravating factor I can think of is the supposed hit from behind. Everything speculated about what happened before goes towards the mitigating factors from 894.1 that they can consider:

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B. The following grounds, while not controlling the discretion of the court, shall be accorded weight in its determination of suspension of sentence or probation:
(24) The defendant acted under strong provocation.
(25) There were substantial grounds tending to excuse or justify the defendant's criminal conduct, though failing to establish a defense.
(26) The victim of the defendant's criminal conduct induced or facilitated its commission.
(29) The defendant's criminal conduct was the result of circumstances unlikely to recur.
(33) Any other relevant mitigating circumstance.



So this is why it matters whether or not the "victim" was harassing Hill and calling him N***** and possibly instigating the entire fight.






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1984Tiger
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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TheShwenz

Nice research. Good to see something with a real basis as opposed to someone regurgitating what the media has been spouting.






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Alahunter
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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So this is why it matters whether or not the "victim" was harassing Hill and calling him N***** and possibly instigating the entire fight.


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The attorney of LSU running back Jeremy Hill says her client was heckled about his past legal trouble before he was allegedly involved in a fight outside of a Baton Rouge bar last weekend.

Hill's attorney, Marci Blaize, said the heckling began before a cell phone caught Hill on video during the altercation


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Complicating matters for Hill is the fact that he told police that he wasn't in the fight, despite the video -- which is considered evidence -- showing Hill involved in it. Police said Hill told officers before and after he was shown the cell phone video that he was near the fight, but wasn't involved. He also said he didn't know the second suspect.

Blaize hasn't disputed that Hill is in the video, but added that she wasn't sure why Hill's comments were taken the way they were.


LINK






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the LSUSaint
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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So you've seen the video, or are you basing your assumptions off what the media chooses to report?


Who else usually reports information?

And also,WHO LEFT THEIR HOME IN HANDCUFFS?

You tell me who YOU think the victim is. I know who was arrested and now I know his friend and co-puncher was also charged as well. I know Hill lied numerous times and is in more hot water because of that.

Yeah, no facts behind the reports so far






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EarthwormJim
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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the LSUSaint


You're reaching Peej levels of shitty posting.



This post was edited on 5/3 at 10:25 pm


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sgbenne
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Member since Nov 2011
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


real said:

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Mr.Hill you may want to tell your son to...

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...stay away from bars.


That is the bottom line: when there's an even slight chance that you may make millions playing a game,
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stay away from bars
Simple.

Seems like it's damn simple.






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WNCTiger
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


Jigga City. Full of fight style of sucker punching people from behind especially ganging up.

It's awesome.

He has learned well.

Hate to say it but he should follow Cecil Collins and Tyrann Mathieu to the 'used to be LSU football players" line IMO.

I smell dinardoesque loss of control and I don't like it a bit.

Do the right thing Les.

And please, any Tigers reading this:

Be the bigger man. Don't beat up regular guys. It doesn't impress anyone.

It just gets you in trouble and gives the program and the University a black eye.









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FUBAR
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


I got into three fights in a bar when I was an undergraduate and didn't get arrested once but that was nearly two decades ago and I wasn't an LSU football player.





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the LSUSaint
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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You're reaching Peej levels of shitty posting.



Im oh so hurt by a board guy criticizing me.

Hill was arrested (the next day! Which is worse because it means the police had time to go over details)
Hill lied to police about knowing the other "punch thrower"
Hill lied about even being involved (then video shows up)
His friend was arrested
Eye witnesses were listened to
Video was used
Hill is on probation that HE agreed to to divert harsher punishment

THIS IS A PROBLEM! I'm sure you hate this post as well....too bad because the facts are the facts.

You actually know some other poster named Peej and you think it's cute=loser!






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Celtic Tiger
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


Let's see

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Doesn't make it less of a crime, but thanks for the babble....


Please point to me any legal analysis in my post. I'll wait on the edge of my seat for that. Since you clearly missed the point, it was more about grand standing fans who pretend they're perfect and have never jaywalked or acted foolish as a 20 year old.

But you want legal analysis, here's some. Given the facts you gave in the lafayette case as complete, that kid is guilty. Great, know what that means to this conversation? Not a damn thing. Guess what? I can create all kind of irrelevant hypotheticals too, but I won't (believe me, part of me wants to). The facts of this case are the facts of this case and of no other. Period.

Everyone knows "why he was charged" and no one is saying he made the best decision. But you say with great certainty he hit the guy from behind when all reports today said in the side of the head, or that he knew the second hitter when everything at this point from the cops and attorneys says otherwise, you either don't know or are willfully ignoring facts to fit your preconceived narrative. Why don't all you guys just wait for all the facts before jumping to the worst possible conclusion about a guy you were probably screaming your arse off for 5 months ago. Damn. It's ridiculous. But thanks for the babble.






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the LSUSaint
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


I have no clue why you thunk cops say otherwise. He is arrested





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jdrn21
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


This thread is full of so much idiocy. Just let it play out tards. Its was a fight. A fricking fight. Settle your little asses down.





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dukke v
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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This thread is full of so much idiocy. Just let it play out tards. Its was a fight. A fricking fight. Settle your little asses down.








But you know how TARDS are...






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LaFlyer
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


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jdrn21LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)This thread is full of so much idiocy. Just let it play out tards. Its was a fight. A fricking fight. Settle your little asses down


You're right, by a guy on probation. With his apologists calling a 14 year old victim a slut and threatening to kill another victim that got knocked out from behind caught on video. Then add on the well he called him a **** defense, the victim deserved it, you're right people need to settle down.






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Charter n Coke
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


Hill will have a probation revocation hearing soon, where a judge will decide if be violated probation. Most times, a misdemeanor does not warrant revocation. She will probably decide there was no violation of probation, Hill will be picking up lots of trash this summer, and he wont see the field the first two games. 


Not going to comment on the semantics of ethics, morals or any other factors outside of legal ramifications, as I saw the video and I dont approve of the actions






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tiger81
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


When will the video hit youtube?





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Charter n Coke
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


Im not sure bout that. I was only shown. When asked to send it to me, he knew better





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ragincajunkarl
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re: LSU RB Jeremy Hill Suspended (Updated 4/30 with Nola.com story)


Are most people concerned he'll miss a majority, all, or just a game or two? I hate to say it, but I almost will call this season a bust without Hill. He's the Eddie Lacy of the LSU team, and undoubtedly the most explosive running back.





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