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The legendary BR NIMBY is strong in here.





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Antonio Moss
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HOA fix a lot of these problems and are not governmental edicts.





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Torn on this one. I very much see the problem caused by turning single family residences (the name of the zone btw) into multi-family residences.

On the other hand, I agree that the restriction was unconstitutional. It was a nice shortcut to deal with problems.

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my example was just that, an example. what were you miffed about in particular? noise? kids running unsafe and in your way in the street? you can force homeowners to corral that kind of stuff without telling them how they can use their property


Much easier said than done. Noise ordinances are ridiculously hard to write in a constitutional manner and just as hard to enforce. Basically you are saying "call the cops and watch as nothing is done."

And yet, as no one wants to live next to a pseudo-dorm in the shape of single family house; your property values suffer.

It's a tough issue.







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BigJim

good post and perspective, and true enough that it's easier said than done. regarding
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I agree that the restriction was unconstitutional. It was a nice shortcut to deal with problems.

i'd add that the group consisting of young, responsible-but-still-not-financially-secure adults is the one that gets hosed.

and for what? so folks who don't want them around can live near the very place these young folks' daily lives revolve around- LSU.






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doubleb
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The law was passed years ago to provide order to a neighborhood.

It was passed long before the alternate life style debate took over.

In reality couples of the same sex have lived together for years in single family homes and nothing was done.

Only now do opportunist who want to take a single family home (being a home build for one or two adults and possibly some children or on occasion and elderly relative and starting renting them out for big money.

No one rezoned these neighborhoods, they were always single family dwellings and when Steve Meyers purchased them he knew that so nobody's property rights are being violated.

The entire thing is designed to enrich these people who will take a single family dwelling and rent it out to a group of students who will all have cars and who will all have friends who visit in cars.

This would be bad enough if these people lived next door to you, but what if they had a dozen or so of these type dwellings on a block or two of the same narrow street. where would all the cars park?

Then you have to consider that renters ordinarily do not take care of the property and quickly the weeds and such take over flower beds, yards don't get cut, and repairs aren't made.

If you owned a home on that street even if it was a rental you'd be hard pressed to rent it. Then if you did rent it you would push the area to becoming even worse and even more congested.

If you want to see what I mean go look at the area on either side of Burbank as you approach West Parker and then tell me what happens when the neighborhood gets over congested and run down.






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The problem isn't living near students. It's when a house becomes overpopulated with students. Two students renting a house is typically much different than four or five.

It's a crappy attitude to say homeowners shouldn't buy near a school. So, the Garden District, Southdowns, College Town, University Acres, and other neighborhoods in south Baton Rouge have no recourse when someone converts a single family dwelling into a multi-tenant house? Is it your opinion this would be different if done in Bocage?. Are those residents entitled to some greater expectation of zoning standards?

Just say you favor no zoning. Guess what, LA is an industrial state. Why not locate a large machine shop near your house, and I'll just say tough shit, move somewhere else.

Once you undermine zoning restrictions, its all fair game for those with the political pull and money to fight. This isn't NIMBYism. It's about people subverting the A-1 designation to make a profit at the expense of the homeowners. The density issue is most certainly relevant. A neighborhood of single family was not designed for the traffic and flow of multiple tenants per house. If it was, zoning and planning would put in different criteria for street access and a whole host of concerns.

This completely ignores the renovations and construction work done to modify these houses. It's actually reverse NIMBYism. If I can make a buck, I'll go shite in someone else's backyard, but be damned if you do it in mine.






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Mickey Goldmill
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Do any of you realize there are separate laws against noise, where to park, lawn upkeep?

Every complaint you all are stating can still be dealt with. The law was too intrusive as written.






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Papercutninja
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I wouldn't have a problem if they put some kind of ordinance together regarding square footage or bedrooms and the number of people living in a house, but it is absurd to say that 4 people living in a four bedroom house are breaking the law due to a lack of consanguinity.

The law goes too far, against both renters and property owners. The fact that half of you are in favor of the government of this city making laws to hinder your property rights is a sad state of affairs. As a landlord, I hope this law falls. But as a property owner, I REALLY hope this law falls. If you want to restrict your neighborhood, get an HOA and make up some covenants, but stay the PHUCK away from my property.




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Mickey Goldmill
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The law goes to far, against both renters and property owners. The fact that half of you are in favor of the government of this city making laws to hinder your property rights is a sad state of affairs. As a landlord, I hope this law falls. But as a property owner, I REALLY hope this law falls. If you want to restrict your neighborhood, get an HOA and make up some covenants, but stay the PHUCK away from my property.









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theronswanson
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The fact that half of you are in favor of the government of this city making laws to hinder your property rights is a sad state of affairs.


fricking this.

"Property rights are sacred for me when it conveniences me, but let my neighbor use his three bedroom house to have three college students lives there? Pass laws now!"






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doubleb
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The zoning restrictions have been in effect for decades.

No one is changing or adding laws.

The fact is you have neighborhoods thstvwere built for single families and for generations havevstayed thst way and now you have a guy whonwants to make some easy money by renting to multiple adults and you cry property rights?

The guy knew how these houses were zoned when he bought them. No one is changing laws.

Something like thus could destror the character of entire neighborhoods.

What would be next apartments?






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theronswanson
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now you have a guy whonwants to make some easy money by renting to multiple adults and you cry property rights?


He wants to rent HIS house that he owns to people that are willing to pay rent and want to live there? And make money in the process? How dare he? It's not the neighbor's fault for living in a home so close to a major university.

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The zoning restrictions have been in effect for decades.


Everyone knows that the longer a government restriction on property rights has been on the books, that must make it super legitimate.






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doubleb
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There would be no problem if a couple of people a house.

The problem is when you have a half dozen or so in one house.







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GetBackToWork
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Then what's the problem with letting people in his house perform metal machinery, toxic waste disposal, or run a 24 hour restaurant? It's his property.

And since when does the logic of expectations run counter to the expectations granted by zoning? You live near a university so you deserve it? Why not anywhere in baton rouge? Baton rouge is an industrial town on the river, would you complain if I buy up land next to your house and build a heavy truck lot?

This logic is asinine. I'm not defending the the ordinance so much as I'm against this effort to turn A-1 into anything goes.






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Bunch of whiny NIMBYs in this thread. If you want an absolute guarantee of peace and serenity, move to the country and buy enough land to where you can't see or hear your neighbors.





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Then what's the problem with letting people in his house perform metal machinery, toxic waste disposal, or run a 24 hour restaurant? It's his property.

Oh sweet, some slippery-slope action.

Noise, environmental, and off-property parking restrictions are all much more reasonable than ones that restrict who will live in neighborhoods.

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Why not anywhere in baton rouge? Baton rouge is an industrial town on the river, would you complain if I buy up land next to your house and build a heavy truck lot?

Weak analogy. The school's already there, and again, zoning preventing something absurd like a heavy truck lot occupying a Southdowns lot is much more reasonable.
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I'm against this effort to turn A-1 into anything goes

I didn't see that argument made. Maybe someone made it implicitly and I missed it? At any rate, that's not my effort, and it's not like I'm categorically rejecting the validity of zoning or something.






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theronswanson
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You live near a university so you deserve it?


You should EXPECT it.






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chalmetteowl
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The zoning restrictions have been in effect for decades.

No one is changing or adding laws.

The fact is you have neighborhoods thstvwere built for single families and for generations havevstayed thst way and now you have a guy whonwants to make some easy money by renting to multiple adults and you cry property rights?

The guy knew how these houses were zoned when he bought them. No one is changing laws.

Something like thus could destror the character of entire neighborhoods.

What would be next apartments?


you can't try to stop multi-family...

that would be RACIST...






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