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That you haven't grasped that is hard for me to understand.

Yeah I get it truly, there is nothing to see here and that it is hypocritcial for conservatives to be pissed that only one possible domestic end of the political spectrum could possibly be suspect.







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Yeah I get it truly,
You truly don't. Well, I have said my peace, tried to explain my position very clearly and even gone round the merry go round several times. It is in black in white.

Conservatives, be better. Don't use the same tactics as those you rail against. Don't get angry about being painted with an inaccurate broad brush and then do the same in response. Be confident that you have the best position and fight to keep the conversation on topic using fair and reasonable language. Avoid the drama queen, victim mentality. that is all.



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See WDE what some of us on here have seen from the left, and im talking from the President to Pelosi to Reid and many memebers of the press is a calling out of Tea party people as right wing extremist. So when the press said's it may have been a right wing extremist it is normal everyday consevatives who they are trying to paint as these nut jobs. And alot of us on here agree with Tea party memebers. You yourself said you do on alot of things (what dont you agree with them on). So when these leaders and members of the press say crap like that, they are saying it about us. And we are sick of it and like someone said here earlier, a few arse kickings need to take place. We will not be silent anylonger.


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Over generalization that then causes the boogeyman to be around every corner


The problem with this statement being used as it is, is this. The MSM are the ones generalizing, and saying the boogeyman (right wing) is behind everything violent that happens. All some are saying is this is wrong, and the MSM needs to be held accountable for continually doing this.

So long as people remain quiet, and don't speak out, nothing will change. If a lot of people are seeing the same thing, then perhaps there is a problem there. Just because you're not seeing or agreeing with it, doesn't mean it's not a valid issue.

I believe it's a legitmate gripe against the MSM, and as long as people remain quiet, and "stay in their place" and don't object, because some think it's below them to complain then it won't get better. A lot of people are simply sick of the MSM using their platform to demonize and insinuate a certain group is responsible for the ills, and evils in the world a great deal of the time.






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WDE24
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Against my better judgment, I'm going to use your post as one last attempt to spell out what I am saying because you obviously are missing my point.

First, I am not saying nor Have I even hinted that:

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people remain quiet, and don't speak out,
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people remain quiet, and "stay in their place" and don't object
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it's below them to complain


Your response is an example of what I mean.
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The MSM are the ones generalizing
Who is the MSM? All of them? Let's just deal with specifics instead of lumping them into an over generalized group the way you dislike "the MSM" doing the same to "right wingers."

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and saying the boogeyman (right wing) is behind everything violent that happens.
This doesn't happen regarding everything and it isn't done by all of the MSM. My call is to be better by calling out individuals for their actual words in context and quit with the over gerneralized boogeyman.
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the MSM needs to be held accountable for continually doing this.
No. The people that do it need to be held accountable and those purporting to hold them accountable need to hold themselves to a higher standard than the ones they are chastising.

I'm not against railing against members of the media, politicians, bloggers and/or posters for their mistakes, biases and/or agendas. I'm against over generalizing and using confirmation basis to play the role of the constant cry baby victim and then being hypocritical in the process of holding others accountable.



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Who is the MSM? All of them? Let's just deal with specifics instead of lumping them into an over generalized group the way you dislike "the MSM" doing the same to "right wingers


Pretty much. CNN, MSNBC, CBS have all in jumped on the "white" or "right wing" bandwagon in who they hoped was responsible. Major outlets like the NYT has as well. And all major networks, and most newspapers across the nation have a pretty liberal slant.

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No. The people that do it need to be held accountable and those purporting to hold them accountable need to hold themselves to a higher standard than the ones they are chastising.


I disagree. It's the MSM that has sways the discussion in this country, by what they report, or don't report. If they're wrong, or being biased, they need to be called out on it. Rather than given a free pass to keep reporting bs that is half truth or not even truth, but left ideals and opinions.

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I'm against over generalizing and using confirmation basis to play the role of the constant cry baby victim and then being hypocritical in the process of holding others accountable


Every point I've made in this thread has been about their generalization and how it needs to stop. Not how I'm a victim. I've also not been hypocritical on other issues that I'm aware of. If you can find something I have been, then feel free to post it and I will address it.






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WDE24
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Pretty much. CNN, MSNBC, CBS have all in jumped on the "white" or "right wing" bandwagon in who they hoped was responsible. Major outlets like the NYT has as well.
There isn't one indication of any of these having a hope for who was responsible.
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And all major networks, and most newspapers across the nation have a pretty liberal slant.
Fox doesn't. But yes, most media has a liberal slant. I won't argue against that.
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I disagree. It's the MSM that has sways the discussion in this country, by what they report, or don't report. If they're wrong, or being biased, they need to be called out on it. Rather than given a free pass to keep reporting bs that is half truth or not even truth, but left ideals and opinions.
How are you still missing my point. It is the ones in the MSM that do the wrong that need to be called out. Quit with the over generalizations.

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Rather than given a free pass to keep reporting bs that is half truth or not even truth, but left ideals and opinions.
No one has even hinted that someone be given a free pass for doing this.

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Every point I've made in this thread has been about their generalization and how it needs to stop.
Whose???????????
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Not how I'm a victim. I've also not been hypocritical on other issues that I'm aware of. If you can find something I have been, then feel free to post it and I will address it.
Please understand that my point has not been about you as I haven't started any of these rants in response to any of your posts. I have simply responded to your responses to me. However, if we keep referring to the MSM boogeyman without specifics, we are setting ourselves up in the role of a victim without accurately and specifically identifying the who the perpetrator was and what it was that victimized you.

It reminds me of the blacks that play the slavery or racism card against whites in general. If you want to rail against racism, call at the racist and discuss specifically what the person did that makes them a racist.






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Alahunter
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It is the ones in the MSM that do the wrong that need to be called out


That's kinda what has been happening, and what I've referred to in this thread.

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, if we keep referring to the MSM boogeyman without specifics, we are setting ourselves up in the role of a victim without accurately and specifically identifying the who the perpetrator was and what it was that victimized you.


I specified who I was talking about, and you've disagreed with me the whole thread about their actions.







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WDE24
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That's kinda what has been happening, and what I've referred to in this thread.

No it hasn't. People have taken one Salon article and then subscribed that idiots thoughts to the MSM saying the MSM hoped the attacker was a white male.

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I specified who I was talking about, and you've disagreed with me the whole thread about their actions.

Who? Matthews? Did he say he hoped for a [particular assailant? Did he not even correct himself from using the term right winged and changed it to extremist? Who else in the MSM has "hoped" for a right winger to be the culprit? What did they say?

There is a huge difference between speculating about potential perps and hoping.



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No it hasn't. People have taken on Salon article and then subscribed that idiots thoughts to the MSM.


And Matthews, and the guy from CNN and the guy from MSNBC, and you can include the tweet from CBS, and the articles from NYT. Go ahead and include the VP, and former politician Frank too and Axelrod.




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WDE24
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And Matthews, and the guy from CNN and the guy from MSNBC, and you can include the tweet from CBS, and the articles from NYT.

None of them Hoped for a white male or right winger. They speculated, within reason that it was a possibility. Does their speculation that it might have been islamic extremist mean they hoped that as well. Which did they hope for more? How do you know? Should all muslims be offended for this hope of theirs?






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therick711
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WDE24



I'm not sure why you care about this so much. I think many have missed the issue on this. The problem is these guys admonish people not to jump to conclusions re: Islamic Terror, but do not hesitate to speculate on whether it could be some fringe tea party gun person, because, and I'm just guessing here, those people are not considered to be insular minorities.






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Alahunter
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None of them Hoped for a white male or right winger


We will have to agree to disagree.

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Which did they hope for more?


I think it's clear who they hoped for more. Take the CBS tweets when they thought it was a WHITE guy, and when minutes later, they found out it was "two young adults".

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How do you know?


Observing the track record of suspecting violent attacks on right wing extremists, when they weren't. Newtown, Gifford, Aurora.. and on and on.







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I'm not sure why you care about this so much.
I have expressed the reason several times.







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therick711
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I have expressed the reason several times.


I'm new to the thread, and I can't imagine a reason good enough for you to split hairs about it in a million threads. It's your time, do what you will.






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WDE24
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What is good for the goose (if it is wrong and abhorrent) shouldn't be good for the gander.

Here is a summary:

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Conservatives, be better. Don't use the same tactics as those you rail against. Don't get angry about being painted with an inaccurate broad brush and then do the same in response. Be confident that you have the best position and fight to keep the conversation on topic using fair and reasonable language. Avoid the drama queen, victim mentality. that is all.



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BBONDS25
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If one side plays dirty, the other side should turn the cheek? Unfortunately, that is a good way to lose a lot of elections. The other side should at least call out those playing dirty. But you call them delusional for doing so.





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WDE24
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If one side plays dirty, the other side should turn the cheek?
No. respond with truth and intellectual honesty. Quit assuming everything is sides and deal with the individual or individuals that are playing dirty so to speak.

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Unfortunately, that is a good way to lose a lot of elections.
The other way has worked so well the last few elections that it is hard to differentiate much between "the sides" anymore.

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The other side should at least call out those playing dirty.
Yes. Exactly. Call out the ones playing dirty and stop making posts saying "the MSM hopes it is a white, tea partier. Now they are so disappointed they are going to cover up the truth."

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But you call them delusional for doing so.
I call them delusional for running around alleging a scheme to avoid reporting the news and then searching high and low for some tidbit to confirm that prediction while ignoring all evidence that contradicts the big, bold, over generalized prediction.

Or posts like "The MSM told me this was a 40 year old white tea partier, I'm confused."

The MSM didn't tell anyone that and the poster is just being a drama queen with victim mentality disorder.



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Why don't you address my statement to you?





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WDE24
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Why don't you address my statement to you?

I was tempted to initially, but was just going to move on. Your statement was fair and probably deserved a response, so here it is:

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See WDE what some of us on here have seen from the left, and im talking from the President to Pelosi to Reid and many memebers of the press is a calling out of Tea party people as right wing extremist.
Certainly many or even most, including the talking heads at MSNBC have tried to marginalize the influence of the tea party by painting them all as lunatics and right wing extremists.
Of course, there are certainly lots of right wing extremists that would be part of or sympathize with the tea party. The use of such labels can cause problems as the people being referred to aren't fairly described or identified.

Much like subscribing the statements of one or two in the media (maybe) to the MSM (another imprecise label) as a whole.

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So when the press said's it may have been a right wing extremist it is normal everyday conservatives who they are trying to paint as these nut jobs.
Not really. In fact, Chris Matthews even corrected himself to identify the ones he was speculating about not as right wingers in general but only an extremist.

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We will not be silent any longer.
I'm not a proponent of silence. I'm a proponent of specificity, accuracy, fairness and holding oneself to a different/better standard than the ones you are condemning.



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