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Mo Jeaux
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Had Romney who supported an "assault weapons" ban in MA, won the election, "common sense" gun-control would already have been signed into law.


Yeah, no.

Look, you'll get no arguments from me that both parties are statists that seek ever more control, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.






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Elcid96
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Having a vote should be a privilege for those who aren't crazy and a non criminal.


FIFY

If you are OK with that?






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trackfan
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So Bidens serves up shite and Odrama is ineffective, thanks.

Biden has diarrhea of the mouth, that's all. He's the Vice President, Jay Carney is Obama's spokesman. Do you want Obama to start acting on Biden's whims?






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jerep
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Having a gun should be a privilege ...


You don't seem to understand the distinction between a privilege and a right. And while I might be interpreting it incorrectly, your following statement makes me wonder if you really care about the logic of the proposed legislation.

The history of the "slippery slope" of gun control is so well documented that anyone who seriously wants to know about it can easily find it. It has be a precursor to the death of millions repeatedly, and under multiple governments.

However, because some people might simply not understand the logical inconsistencies, but are capable of doing so, here is a link which describes the logic of the situation very well:

LINK

Here is the beginning, it is worth reading the whole thing, and includes links to supporting positions held by the ACLU, hardly an organization often aligned with the GOP.

"The Absurdity of “Universal” Background Checks

April 10, 2013

Those who favor “universal” background checks on gun buyers make some ridiculous arguments. For example, opponents correctly point out that gun buyers with criminal intent will always find channels that require no background check. Gunrunning is among the oldest professions, and the black market will always be with us. Thus the promise of universal background checks — even if that were a legitimate government activity — is a fraud, because universality can’t possibly be achieved.

Supporters, however, challenge this argument by contending that it proves too much: If requiring background checks is futile as a crime-fighting measure, they ask, why should we have laws against murder, rape, battery, and robbery? Those laws will never stop everyone from committing a crime, so what’s the point?

This argument is flawed. Let’s remember that the background-check requirement is intended, prophylactically, to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do harm to others. In contrast, the prohibition against murder and other forms of aggression is intended, retrospectively, to legitimate the apprehension and prosecution of people who have committed offenses against person and property. Yes, deterrence is also intended, but the main objective is to permit action after the fact.

Supporters of background checks may respond that a “universal” requirement would permit the government to go after those who have used guns aggressively. But this argument has no force whatever, simply because if someone commits aggression with a gun, the government already has grounds to apprehend and prosecute the perpetrator. What value is there in being able to charge a suspected mass murderer with illegal possession of a gun as well?

The practical argument for mandated background checks depends solely on its potential for keeping guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. (However, it would not have stopped Adam Lanza in Newtown or other mass murderers.) On that ground the argument fails, because people with criminal intent will find ways to buy guns that do not require a check. Proponents of background checks seem to think that a government decree will dry up the black market. But why would it? Sales will go on beyond the government’s ability to monitor them. Out of sight, out of government control.

Proponents also mock those who predict that so-called universal background checks will lead to gun registration and confiscation. But this is not an outlandish fear. (The ACLU shares it.) Since guns will continue to be bought and sold without background checks, a national registry is the likely next step in the crusade to deter such transfers. The civil-liberties implications are harrowing.

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Jbird
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Biden has diarrhea of the mouth, that's all.


He is the village idiot good ole Joe.

what does Baghdad Jay have to do with what Ole Joe said?

The all work for Obama.






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Lsut81
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Biden: Obama preparing to take "executive actions" to deal with guns.




Didn't crazy Joe say this same shite back in December?






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trackfan
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what does Baghdad Jay have to do with what Ole Joe said?

The all work for Obama.

Carney serves at Obama's discretion and is his official spokesman. Biden was elected by the American people and only Congress can remove him from office.






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Jbird
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Biden was elected by the American people and only Congress can remove him from office.


No shite really?

Who selected him as his Veep, what did Obama get you to vet this moron?






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jerep
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Yeah, no.

Look, you'll get no arguments from me that both parties are statists that seek ever more control, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.


Since it didn't happen I can't prove you are wrong and I am right -- I'm just making a supposition.

But all that was needed was 6 more Republicans to switch sides and it would have gotten through the Senate. I think that with a GOP president who had a history of supporting an AWB, and using the exact same language as the left; the fact that the 94 AWB was supported by many of the same senators who yesterday voted against it; the fact that Boehner, McConnel et al. have had no problem siding with the left against the Republican majority on several occasions, even with Obama in the Whitehouse; and it is a completely reasonable supposition.

My point is not simply to trash the GOP, my point is that if people don't pay attention and stop being party-men then it is only a matter of time.






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Mo Jeaux
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But all that was needed was 6 more Republicans to switch sides and it would have gotten through the Senate. I think that with a GOP president who had a history of supporting an AWB, and using the exact same language as the left; the fact that the 94 AWB was supported by many of the same senators who yesterday voted against it; the fact that Boehner, McConnel et al. have had no problem siding with the left against the Republican majority on several occasions, even with Obama in the Whitehouse; and it is a completely reasonable supposition.



Possibly.

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My point is not simply to trash the GOP


Trash away. You won't hurt my feelings. I've been asking for a plague upon both their houses for the past decade.






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Obama is such an a-hole.





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TigerTattle
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Having a gun should be a privilege
Wrong. Having a gun is a right. Having a driver's license is a privilege.






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deltaland
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Romney wouldn't have pushed for an AWB or stricter gun control on a national level because it would extremely have hurt his chance at re election.

In Mass. he could do it because up there they support it. On a national scale, not so much.







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austingator
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quote: Having a gun should be a privilege


I'm guessing you Adeline of this people go want to fundamentally transform the US.
If Obama doesn't believe in gun rights then he doesn't believe in the constitution.






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LaBornNRaised
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that's what comes from hanging out only with people who think like you


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Tigah in the ATL


THE frickING IRONY






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trackfan
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Who selected him as his Veep, what did Obama get you to vet this moron?

That's irrelevant. Once Obama picked him, he was stuck with him. It's the same with Supreme Court appointments, which is why Bush 41 was powerless to do anything about David Souter after he picked him.






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Indfanfromcol
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Wrong. Having a gun is a right. Having a driver's license is a privilege.




You can be denied a firearm when you go apply for a background check. So owning a gun is a privilege. Just like a diver's license is a privilege.

If owning a gun was a right, then no one could be denied one.






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Tiguar
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Is voting a right?

Shit, is anything a right? You can be locked up in prison and be denied "rights".






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TigerTattle
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You can be denied a firearm when you go apply for a background check. So owning a gun is a privilege.


No, a background check can infringe on a citizen's right to bear arms. Doesn't mean the right doesn't exist, just that it is being infringed upon.



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Indfanfromcol
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Shit, is anything a right? You can be locked up in prison and be denied "rights".



Exactly.
If you wanna get down to the nitty and gritty, you have the right to food and water. No one can deny you of that, even in prison. Anyone can go to a shelter and get food. Anyone can apply for food stamps (sometimes if you have a felony you can't. But in some cases you can).






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