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edit- christ that sounded pompous.


Did you edit what you said above that? If not, I don't see it. I want to kind of cone to a consensus among several of our more analytic posters.

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I interpret Potent Scorer as a high volume at least reasonable efficiency scorer- but thats just me.



Could that be combined with fearlessness?






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I gotta think about this.






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corndeaux
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Did you edit what you said above that? If not, I don't see it. I want to kind of cone to a consensus among several of our more analytic posters. 


deleted what I said. it was very poorly worded

let me think about the roster some more. would definitely love to get a consensus too.

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Could that be combined with fearlessness?


perhaps. a guy like monta ellis fits that bill, but lance Stephenson or ron artest do not.

maybe potent scoring should be more along the lines of a guy that defenses gameplan to stop?






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Will the final be open book?





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TigerinATL
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Some of the stats are subjective like Leadership, but some we can quantify.

I pulled Basketball Reference's Advanced Stats for the season into a spreadsheet to get the league average. I figure anything at or above league average should be counted.

Pa - Ast% was 13.02%
St - Stl% was 1.6%
% - TS% was 51%
Rb - Trb% was 10.05%
Bk - Blk% was 1.6%

Anthony Davis St % Rb Bk
Ryan Anderson % Rb
Al Farouq Aminu St % Rb Bk
Eric Gordon Pa St %
Greivis Vasquez Pa
Robin Lopez % Rb Bk
Jason Smith % Rb Bk
Austin Rivers Pa
Brian Roberts Pa
Darius Miller %
Lance Thomas % Rb






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Jester
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% - TS% was 51%


I was just about to ask if you thought to go TS% over basic %...

Would eFG% fit better here, though?



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Jester
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League Average eFG%: 48%

This is going to shock the entire board:

Al Farouq Aminu 47.9%






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TigerinATL
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I'm not sure if it really matters. The average eFG was 47.4% That does put Vasquez and Roberts over the hump, but they were very close to the 51% TS% cutoff to begin with.

Vasquez 50.2 TS% 47.4 eFG%
Roberts 50.9 TS% 47.5 eFG%

No one else on the team would be effected by changing the metric.

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This is going to shock the entire board:

Al Farouq Aminu 47.9%


Aminu shoots a high percentage of his shots from close range and hits his FTs well. His eFG was 39.7% on his jumpers. LINK



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Jester
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I'm not sure if it really matters. The average eFG was 47.4% That does put Vasquez and Roberts over the hump, but they were very close to the 51% TS% cutoff to begin with.

Vasquez 50.2 TS% 47.4 eFG%
Roberts 50.9 TS% 47.5 eFG%

No one else on the team would be effected by changing the metric.



It's not so much about putting players over the hump. More so about improving the chart. In my opinion, eFG% is a more useful stat than TS%, which disregards the clear difference in difficulties between the shots.






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Some of the stats are subjective like Leadership, but some we can quantify.



Seems like they would've left off leadership and fearlessness on something so "scientific".

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I figure anything at or above league average should be counted.

Pa - Ast% was 13.02%
St - Stl% was 1.6%
% - TS% was 51%
Rb - Trb% was 10.05%
Bk - Blk% was 1.6%

Anthony Davis St % Rb Bk
Ryan Anderson % Rb
Al Farouq Aminu St % Rb Bk
Eric Gordon Pa St %
Greivis Vasquez Pa
Robin Lopez % Rb Bk
Jason Smith % Rb Bk
Austin Rivers Pa
Brian Roberts Pa
Darius Miller %
Lance Thomas % Rb


Good call






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Jester
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Aminu shoots a high percentage of his shots from close range and hits his FTs well. His eFG was 39.7% on his jumpers


Starting to look like maybe % should be replaced. Like I said earlier, it should be captured within the other categories like 3, Md, and PO, although maybe it would help to add a category for non-post scoring in the paint.






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corndeaux
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First off to ATL for putting all of that together

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In my opinion, eFG% is a more useful stat than TS%, which disregards the clear difference in difficulties between the shots.


I like TS% more because it incorporates 3s and FTs, but happy to go with the consensus.

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Starting to look like maybe % should be replaced


I tend to agree on not using either TS or eFG by themselves as a category.

We can use the shooting zone charts on NBA.com as a guide to see how each player stacks up vs the league average in each zone (at rim, mid range, 3, etc) to account for Md and 3.

We could say Fearlessness fits for a non post player who attacks the rim and converts at an average or above average clip.

I'm slammed at work now, but I will start digging and post charts for players as soon as I can.






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TigerinATL
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Starting to look like maybe % should be replaced.


They have 3pt, Midrange and Post offense. You don't really need %.

Hoopdata has eFG% and FG% for shot locations with the league average Pelicans


3 - 53.8 eFG%
Md - 39.1% (combined FG% for 10-15 and 16-23ft ranges)
Po 1.6 (Scoring not shooting %, so makes At Rim and 3-9 feet)

Anthony Davis St % Rb Bk Po
Ryan Anderson % Rb Md 3
Al Farouq Aminu St % Rb Bk Po
Eric Gordon Pa St % Po
Greivis Vasquez Pa Md Po
Robin Lopez % Rb Bk Md Po
Jason Smith % Rb Bk Md
Austin Rivers Pa
Brian Roberts Pa 3
Darius Miller % 3
Lance Thomas % Rb






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Jester
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They have 3pt, Midrange and Post offense. You don't really need %.


That's my point. Too much redundancy.
Also, how about capturing P&R defense?






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Jester
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We can use the shooting zone charts on NBA.com as a guide to see how each player stacks up vs the league average in each zone (at rim, mid range, 3, etc) to account for Md and 3.


I absolutely agree with this idea.






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TigerinATL
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I still don't know what the ideal total number is, but I'm starting to think we should weight this. For example I marked 3 players as 3 point shooters (4 if you count Roger Mason Jr. which I didn't), and 4 may be a good amount of 3 point shooters for a team, but none of the 4 start (even though Anderson gets starters minutes). So doing some sort of weighting for minutes per game would seem in order because we obviously need better 3 point shooting in the starting lineup.





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Y'all nerds need to get a room.





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Jester
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Y'all nerds need to get a room.


Careful. I'm still trying to find a way to be an a-hole in here.






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Some pretty cool stuff posted guys

We really need a 3 that can shoot the long ball




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