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re: Harvesting timber on 20 acres
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:26 am to Hammertime
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:26 am to Hammertime
I can suggest that you all get in contact with your local Ag & Forestry departments as they will have all kinds of reading material for you to better understand what is going on.
I woke up maybe 20 minutes before my first post today because of a late night of homework(3:30am). I believe every bit to be true, but might have forgotten a step or two. Talk to a couple of foresters, and they will probably gossip about the other guy, but you can get a general idea about what your land will produce and how it should get to those numbers, reaching your objectives as well.
Get informed, pay attention, educate yourself, and ask questions
I woke up maybe 20 minutes before my first post today because of a late night of homework(3:30am). I believe every bit to be true, but might have forgotten a step or two. Talk to a couple of foresters, and they will probably gossip about the other guy, but you can get a general idea about what your land will produce and how it should get to those numbers, reaching your objectives as well.
Get informed, pay attention, educate yourself, and ask questions
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:32 am to Hammertime
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Hammertime
Thanks for the advice and knowledge!
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:51 am to alexanderjcoop
It was the best degree I have ever gotten. Much more goes into it than people think. One of the main things about sustainable forestry is actually soil. It dictates what is where, how it grows, and how long it stays
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:53 am to Hammertime
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Pine tree forestry is the easiest kind because their are growth numbers for your area that include things like soil type mainly. Everything is already mapped out for them and they have to do no work.
right
it's not as subjective as hardwood management, but it is hardly as "cookie-cutter" as you make it sound.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:55 am to LoneStarTiger
It pretty much is.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:00 am to LoneStarTiger
Yes it is. Growth/yield tables are easily accessed for each area. They come with density per age graphs. Soil types are readily accessible for each area, which show potential growth for each species in that specific area. They are normally as precise as 10-50ft.
Just have to figure out what type of timber, contracts, where to sell it, and what loggers to put on the property. Sometimes you want slow loggers and sometimes you want fast loggers. Just all depends, but the tree information is already taken care of.
Just have to figure out what type of timber, contracts, where to sell it, and what loggers to put on the property. Sometimes you want slow loggers and sometimes you want fast loggers. Just all depends, but the tree information is already taken care of.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:07 am to Hammertime
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Yes it is. Growth/yield tables are easily accessed for each area. They come with density per age graphs. Soil types are readily accessible for each area, which show potential growth for each species in that specific area. They are normally as precise as 10-50ft. Just have to figure out what type of timber, where to sell it, and what loggers to put on the property. Sometimes you want slow loggers and sometimes you want fast loggers. Just all depends, but the tree information is already taken care of.
well, then you have to figure out ways to maximize the potential of your site, and plan accordingly using the proper seedlings, proper site prep, proper competition control, proper fertilization, thinning schedules and densities, and on and on
growth and yield tables are nice tools, but I don't grow trees on paper.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:15 am to LoneStarTiger
quote:You do know that they are area-specific, right? It tells you stocking density, age, growth potential, etc. Not much easier than that. They are based off of a multitude of factors for that area. They have them for each species of tree, pine, hardwoods, MHP, etc.
growth and yield tables are nice tools
quote:by bringing in new soil? Only thing you can do is fertilize, and that is standard for your area
maximize the potential of your site
quote:seedling producers have choices in what you want out of trees. Want high yield? get those. Want straight seeds to make poles? get those.
plan accordingly using the proper seedlings
quote:It is a pine hardwood stand. Not everything can grow there in every spot. Chemicals are standard across the industry
proper competition control
quote:all given from growth/yield tables. Just go out and look at the property to determine if it is in fact at that point
thinning schedules
It isn't that hard, trust me. Frankly, I think pine tree forestry is boring as shite and would quit if I had to stick to that. Hardwoods are where it's at
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:33 am to Hammertime
Thanks.
I have natural gas on the land and some oil. How does this impact the prices of trees?
I am completely uneducated here. Have any good websites I could go look at?
I have natural gas on the land and some oil. How does this impact the prices of trees?
I am completely uneducated here. Have any good websites I could go look at?
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:34 am to Hammertime
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It isn't that hard, trust me. Frankly, I think pine tree forestry is boring as shite and would quit if I had to stick to that. Hardwoods are where it's at
i'm glad you aren't into pine management too, because all the rest of the foresters would be out of a job, since it's no work and all
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:44 am to Hammertime
And hammertime drops the hammer.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:25 am to LSUTigers00884
quote:Doesn't, but it certainly impacts the property value. If you have piping run everywhere, you are gonna have to get the company to come out and set up where they can log and drive or set mats.
I have natural gas on the land and some oil. How does this impact the prices of trees?
Market is the only thing that impacts the price of trees. With that comes quality, straightness, size, etc.
Can't really tell you what to look at though. My suggestion is to take your questions to the local Ag & Forestry office. They would know more about specifics for your area than me, and will have all kinds of pamphlets and books for you to get
A fair amount of info here: LINK
quote:I was, but our timber production/management was for the gubment. If you are a forester, you know how much of a PITA that is.
i'm glad you aren't into pine management too, because all the rest of the foresters would be out of a job, since it's no work and all
Going back for ME degree because the money sucks balls(<$30k) in LA for foresters and I couldn't find a job that paid enough to move.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:38 am to Hammertime
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I was, but our timber production/management was for the gubment. If you are a forester, you know how much of a PITA that is.
well no wonder you think pine management is cookie cutter and boring, the government doesn't manage their pine timber worth a shite.
Thankfully, I don't deal with the government unless it is to haul on a Forest Service road or wildfire prevention, which is it's own clusterfrick.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:45 am to LoneStarTiger
Down here, and in Mississippi they do. Some of the best lumber comes off of government land. Plation pine for serious production is even easier since they only have to manage for one use. Government is MUSY.
Like I said, places like Weyerhauser and Soterra have the lowest age of clearcutting down here. Moast areas are between 17 and 21 years. There is a critical point in the growth curves where the individual tree growth starts slowing down. Foresters have measured those since the beginning of time, and they typically update their data once a year. Computers model it though. They manage based off of those models
See, not so hard is it?
Like I said, places like Weyerhauser and Soterra have the lowest age of clearcutting down here. Moast areas are between 17 and 21 years. There is a critical point in the growth curves where the individual tree growth starts slowing down. Foresters have measured those since the beginning of time, and they typically update their data once a year. Computers model it though. They manage based off of those models
See, not so hard is it?
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:01 pm to Hammertime
individual tree growth is not the only variable to account for
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:17 pm to LoneStarTiger
Once the stand gets older and has been thinned twice, tree growth basically equals stand growth. There is so much uniformity in plantation pine timber once they reach 14 or so, they are pretty much one in the same.
Once the volume increase slows down, they cut. If it is an extremely nice stand that produces poles, they will let it get to 25 or so. Nothing bigger than say 16" dbh comes out of here
Once the volume increase slows down, they cut. If it is an extremely nice stand that produces poles, they will let it get to 25 or so. Nothing bigger than say 16" dbh comes out of here
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:25 pm to Hammertime
Hammer, do you have any #'s/prices for south ms? we are about to clear cut about 80 acres. just more of a curiosity than anything
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:32 pm to CurDog
Nope, but they wouldn't be far off from the LA prices for the same area since they really all use the same mills
Call Steve Fontenot from the first page. We worked heavily above the boot
Call Steve Fontenot from the first page. We worked heavily above the boot
Posted on 7/19/13 at 8:09 am to Hammertime
Hello Hammertime,
Thank you for the list of consulting foresters. It took calls to several folks on the list but the parcel did get evaluated by Mr. Jeff Peterson of the Stream Properties in Lake Charles.
There was not enough timber to entice a buyer but I do appreciate your thoughtfulness.
Message sent from CharleyLake.
Thank you for the list of consulting foresters. It took calls to several folks on the list but the parcel did get evaluated by Mr. Jeff Peterson of the Stream Properties in Lake Charles.
There was not enough timber to entice a buyer but I do appreciate your thoughtfulness.
Message sent from CharleyLake.
This post was edited on 7/19/13 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/19/13 at 8:37 am to Federal Tiger
Hardwood prices are getting stupid no one wants to cultivate them it seems just soft woods I assume faster yields . I bought a 1000 ft of green walnut few years ago stickered it drying it myself to save a few bucks.
hammertime that was very informative thanks.
hammertime that was very informative thanks.
This post was edited on 7/19/13 at 8:41 am
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