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re: Saints are 2nd to worst in 2014 cap space
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Yeah, cause those grow on trees and shite. Never mind that Payton's previous contract with the Saints was voided by the league because it had language that said Loomis had to be there or Payton could leave or some shite like that. Apparently having Loomis here is pretty damn important to him.
(those are Sean Payton's hands, fwiw)
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:09 pm to Lester Earl
maybe we should put better defensive scouting troops on the ground then. And i'd be truly curious as to what the real structure of the decision making is on the team regarding team personnel.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
Mickey is a good GM for a coach like Payton. Don't get in his way. The only decisions he has made that we can judge him on are
1. Firing haslett
2. Hiring payton
Make it happen loomis is a term coined by SP...probably
1. Firing haslett
2. Hiring payton
Make it happen loomis is a term coined by SP...probably
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:13 pm to Lester Earl
And? We all know Payton is the big swinging dick on Airline Drive. He gets what he wants. He wants Loomis and a big arse scouting department. He wanted Ryan when most fans wanted someone else. He doesn't give two shits what you want and neither do I.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:14 pm to DelU249
i think Payton is blindly loyal to Loomis for hiring him.
He's cocky, he thinks he can fix anything. But clearly hasnt been able to do that with the defense. Mainly because of lack of talent, which in turn have led to bad contracts.
He's cocky, he thinks he can fix anything. But clearly hasnt been able to do that with the defense. Mainly because of lack of talent, which in turn have led to bad contracts.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:15 pm to Patrick O Rly
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And? We all know Payton is the big swinging dick on Airline Drive. He gets what he wants. He wants Loomis and a big arse scouting department. He wanted Ryan when most fans wanted someone else. He doesn't give two shits what you want and neither do I.
and, it doesn't mean Loomis is good at what he does.
not that hard to understand.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:15 pm to Lester Earl
He's great at what he's asked to do.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:16 pm to Lester Earl
Everyone here including me thought he'd never fire Gibbs and he didnt waste time firing Spags, each time he hires a top guy. He's trying, which is a far cry from when we thought he would never can Gibbs
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:17 pm to Lester Earl
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and, it doesn't mean Loomis is good at what he does.
not that hard to understand.
i was just looking at the patriots 2007 draft, they drafted some defensive guys that i've never fricking heard of. ONOZ fire Belichek.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:19 pm to Chad504boy
Patriots have the best of both worlds. All time great QB, system similar to the Saints, and one of the best defensive coaches ever.
The Saints have had a decade long drought of bad defensive drafts. Just so happens coincides with Loomis' tenure.
The Saints have had a decade long drought of bad defensive drafts. Just so happens coincides with Loomis' tenure.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:20 pm to Lester Earl
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All time great QB, system similar to the Saints, and one of the best defensive coaches ever.
true, they have a defensive staff that knows how to utilize the likes of the ninkovich's of the world that other brilliant gm's drafted that the coach's couldn't take advantage of.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:23 pm to Chad504boy
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2002
Charles Grant 1st gave us some good years
James Allen 3rd- bust
Keyou Craver-4th bust
Mel Mitchell- 5th bust
Derrius Gilmore 7th- bust
2003
Jonathan Sullivan-worst pick in Saints history
Cie Grant- 3rd worthless
Melvin Williams -5th did he even make the team?
2004
Will Smith- gave us some good years.
Courtney Watson- 2nd RD huge bust
Rodney Leslie- 5th RD worthless
Colby Bockwoldt- 7th good ST player
2005
Josh BUllucks- 2nd horrible player
Alfred Fincher- 3rd RD horrible player
Jason Jefferson 6th rd dont think made team
Jimmy Verndon-7th didnt make team
2006
Roman Harper- 2nd league average safety, decent pick
Rob Ninkovich-5th good player now
josh LAy 6th didnt make team i believe
2007
Usama Young- 3rd garbage
David Jones -5th garbage
Marvin Mitchell 7th- really good value for what he was
2008
Sed Ellis-1st serviceable, but not what you want out of a top 10 pick
Tracy Porter 2nd- prob 2nd best DEF pick in his era. Injury prone though
Demarrio Pressley- 5th hyped, no production
2009
Malcon Jenkins-1st serviceable, didnt live up to 14th pick status
Chip Vaughn 4th- worthless
STanley Arnoux 4th worthless
2010
Patrick RObinson- 1st serviceable NFL player
Al Woods 4th didnt even make team
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:25 pm to Lester Earl
Pre 2006 means nothing to me, sorry.
Since then, not overly bad IMO and half the busts got injured early in their careers.
I don't really blame picks like ellis on loomis so much. The entire NFL had him rated very highly and equally on the level he was drafted at.
Since then, not overly bad IMO and half the busts got injured early in their careers.
I don't really blame picks like ellis on loomis so much. The entire NFL had him rated very highly and equally on the level he was drafted at.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:26 pm to Chad504boy
Pre 2006 showed how bad he actually was. 
he should have never made it out of the Haslett regime.
he should have never made it out of the Haslett regime.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Pre 2006 showed how bad he actually was.
you don't actually know it was mickey really making those final calls. YOu are totalling dismissing the head coach and defensive staff's input in place for ALL of these decisions.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:29 pm to Lester Earl
Haslett made all of the calls too. (stallworth, tebucky jones, sullivan, hodge, craver) Mickey is not an Ozzie newsome type GM. Moreover he didnt hire haslett.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
Also it coincides with Ron zook leaving to go to Florida
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:30 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:31 pm to DelU249
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he didnt hire haslett.
So you're saying Mickey is batting 1.00 when hiring head coaches?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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That pick was not put to good use
it wasn't even all that damning and i'd be damn jimmy graham wasn't a 2.0er.
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