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re: Saints are 2nd to worst in 2014 cap space
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
Hell yeah. And fire the scouting department for not calling player agents and fielding contracts. And fire Drew for not being able to play middle linebacker.
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
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yep, fire Payton for bad defensive play calling.
he's not calling the defensive plays lester cause he doesn't even have the defensive knowledge as a head coach of an NFL team. How can you call yourself a head coach and be so one dimensional?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:20 pm to Chad504boy
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But to sit here and think that Will Smith is the only or one of the few players in the NFL to be heavier than his listed weight is equally moronic
I never mentioned any other player's weight.
The only person i was talking about is Will Smith.
What did I say that makes you think that I think Will Smith is the only player heavier than his playing weight?
Vince Wilfork is listed at 325. Do you really think he is 325?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:20 pm to Patrick O Rly
You look up Mickey's linkedin profile and it says "General Manager of Defensive Scouting Department".
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:22 pm to Chad504boy
Chad, would you say that our offensive system allows some of our players to be better than what they would probably be in other systems?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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I never mentioned any other player's weight.
The only person i was talking about is Will Smith.
What did I say that makes you think that I think Will Smith is the only player heavier than his playing weight?
The point of Will Smith's weight being heavier is only relevant if it assumes everyone else's weight is static. You are bringing zero valid points to the table if your message in life that Will Smith is big enough to do X because his weight of Y. Well if the rest of the NFL gets the same added weight benefit, then the point becomes completely fricking moronic.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Chad, would you say that our offensive system allows some of our players to be better than what they would probably be in other systems?
Lester, would you say that our defensive system in place falls directly on the head coach of the team that assembles the staff that puts the system in place?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:29 pm to Chad504boy
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The point of Will Smith's weight being heavier is only relevant if it assumes everyone else's weight is static. You are bringing zero valid points to the table if you're message in life that Will Smith is big enough to do X because his weight of Y. Well if the rest of the NFL gets the same added weight benefit, then the point becomes completely fricking moronic.
Chad, why are you acting like a novice sports fan? You can't be this green, can you?
In football and basketball this happens all the time. Heights are embellished, weights are cut back/bumped up.
The Saints dont weigh & measure all their players one day, write down the exact measurements, then send them out to everyone. In some cases they dont change for years despite obvious change in body composition.
Everyone in America thinks Dwight Howard is a 7 footer, yet he has been measured at 6'10" with shoes on. It looks prettier on paper. And in some cases, just isn't updated. The same reason Wilfork is listed at 325 and not 350 or 360 like he really is.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
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The ENTER EVERY NFL TEAM NAME HERE dont weigh & measure all their players one day, write down the exact measurements, then send them out to everyone. In some cases they dont change for years despite obvious change in body composition.
You're continuing to miss the point that if you're going to say he's 290,then its fair to say most veteran fat guys are 8 lbs more than their listed weights too thus increasing the bar of what weight is truly needed to compete properly in the NFL at the 3-4 book end position.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:32 pm to Chad504boy
I've gotta change. I didn't know we were doing mental gymnastics with Lester.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:33 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I've gotta change. I didn't know we were doing mental gymnastics with Lester.
i haven't even gotten into the whole sometimes you can get fatter yet lose muscle mass and weight remain fairly static argument yet.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:38 pm to Chad504boy
You guys do realize you will never get this time back right?
What a shite show.
What a shite show.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:39 pm to St Augustine
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You guys do realize you will never get this time back right?
What a shite show.
The good news is that Lester won't retain much of anything i said so we'll probably get to do it all again tomorrow.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:42 pm to Chad504boy
I am not going to answer your questions if you are too afraid to answer mine.
however, at some point you have to sit back and realize what you are trying to do. You are trying to throw Sean Payton under the bus because you cannot let go of your blind, defensive homerism of Mickey Loomis.
Do I think Payton has some responsibility for our poor defenses? Sure. Do I think his good for this team outweighs the bad? YES! tenfold.
Imagine Payton hiring talented defensive coordinator(like he has), and this defensive coordinator, along with our scouts and a GM that actually scouted talent(this wouldn't be Loomis), going out on the road or sitting in the film room evaluating talent.
I don't understand how you sit here and defend Loomis by saying "oh well he doesn't evaluate talent, he isnt responsible for poor drafts". OK, so even if you don't think he has anything to do with scouting, how can you live with that considering how bad we have drafted on defense? How does that make any sense in your head? WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A GM THAT CAN DO BOTH? Why would you not want a GM that would give us a greater chance at finding talent on defense?
however, at some point you have to sit back and realize what you are trying to do. You are trying to throw Sean Payton under the bus because you cannot let go of your blind, defensive homerism of Mickey Loomis.
Do I think Payton has some responsibility for our poor defenses? Sure. Do I think his good for this team outweighs the bad? YES! tenfold.
Imagine Payton hiring talented defensive coordinator(like he has), and this defensive coordinator, along with our scouts and a GM that actually scouted talent(this wouldn't be Loomis), going out on the road or sitting in the film room evaluating talent.
I don't understand how you sit here and defend Loomis by saying "oh well he doesn't evaluate talent, he isnt responsible for poor drafts". OK, so even if you don't think he has anything to do with scouting, how can you live with that considering how bad we have drafted on defense? How does that make any sense in your head? WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A GM THAT CAN DO BOTH? Why would you not want a GM that would give us a greater chance at finding talent on defense?
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
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You're continuing to miss the point that if you're going to say he's 290,then its fair to say most veteran fat guys are 8 lbs more than their listed weights too thus increasing the bar of what weight is truly needed to compete properly in the NFL at the 3-4 book end position.
so now you are just trolling me?
let me guess, "all the stupid stuff you said!!!! you were just joking!!!"
omg chad you are so funny!!!
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
I don't ignorantly blame all defensive draft pick failures 100% on scouting evaluations. There is a level of responsibility upon the coaching staff as well to develop and utilize talents effectively. Sometimes the understand they could be taking risks on guys they seem worthy. You act like our defensive draft picks have been complete failures and that isn't even true either. More than half of our starters past few years were drafted by the Saints. And if we can ignore Payton's non-half of defensive coaching ability, we can definitely ignore mickey's supposedly lack of defensive scouting ability (even though we can't give him credit for all this offensive scouting ability) cause you tried to play me into thinking that its payton's system that gets all the credit and not Loomis' scouting for the offensive system. You're argumentative stances are childish and short sighted.
eta: I totally forgot to add my all caps "WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A HEAD COACH THAT CAN HAVE A TOP TIER OFFENSIVE SYSTEM AS WELL AS A TOP TIER NFL DEFENSE. WHY OH WHY OMGZ WOULD YOU NOT WANT THAT?"
eta: I totally forgot to add my all caps "WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A HEAD COACH THAT CAN HAVE A TOP TIER OFFENSIVE SYSTEM AS WELL AS A TOP TIER NFL DEFENSE. WHY OH WHY OMGZ WOULD YOU NOT WANT THAT?"
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
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so now you are just trolling me?
let me guess, "all the stupid stuff you said!!!! you were just joking!!!"
omg chad you are so funny!!!
oiy. all hope is lost when you get trolling out of this debate.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:50 pm to Lester Earl
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WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT A GM THAT CAN DO BOTH?
Yeah, cause those grow on trees and shite. Never mind that Payton's previous contract with the Saints was voided by the league because it had language that said Loomis had to be there or Payton could leave or some shite like that. Apparently having Loomis here is pretty damn important to him.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:52 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Yeah, cause those grow on trees and shite. Never mind that Payton's previous contract with the Saints was voided by the league because it had language that said Loomis had to be there or Payton could leave or some shite like that. Apparently having Loomis here is pretty damn important to him.
GREAT POINT PATRICK, WHY OH WHY WOULD sorry, why oh why would Sean Payton not want to bring in someone more capable of being a General Manager and stop delivering all these shitty d players and trying to take the credit for the success of the offensive draft picks only due to the system that payton has in place for offense.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 2:59 pm to Chad504boy
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You act like our defensive draft picks have been complete failures and that isn't even true either.
THey have been failures for the most part, considering the draft positions.
Do I really need to list the defensive players we have drafted under Loomis?
How can you say it hasn't been a complete failure?
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More than half of our starters past few years were drafted by the Saints.
Which says ZERO considering the lack of talent on defense.
these guys have sucked. Which is why we have brought so many players in on defense via free agency or trades. Every year we are trying to patch up holes. shite last year we brought in what, 3 LBs and pretty much all 3 were counted on to start. How many other teams have to do that?
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we can definitely ignore mickey's supposedly lack of defensive scouting ability (even though we can't give him credit for all this offensive scouting ability) cause you tried to play me into thinking that its payton's system that gets all the credit and not Loomis' scouting for the offensive system.
Again, I'll sit here, just to pretend and buy into what you are saying, and tell you that Mickey is not to blame for our defensive woes.
Ok, lets do this again. Our defensie has been horrible, no? our defensive draft picks have been putrid, no?
Ok, if Mickey Loomis does ZERO draft evaluations, wouldn't that be enough evidence to say "hey, let's change something. Let's bring someone in that can help us find talent on defense".?
Wouldn't that be enough? What the frick planet are you on? If you want to play that argument, fine. But it doesn't help your cause.
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There is a level of responsibility upon the coaching staff as well to develop and utilize talents effectively.
It all boils down to talent. Steve Spagnolo can have a Super Bowl winning defense in NYG with 3 defensive lineman 10+ sacks, but 5 years later he is coaching the worst defense in NFL history......... because he can't develop and utilize talent correctly with the Saints? Seriously?
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