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Posted by wm72
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:39 pm to
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they poached him from Barça when he was too young to sign professionally there.


That's the ManU MO
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:41 pm to
we've done it too. successfully with cesc, less so with fran merida, jon toral and hector bellerin, though the last has shown promise at RB. apparently we're trying to do the same with thiago's little brother right now.
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:43 pm to
ruthless plunderers
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:43 pm to
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thiago's little brother
he´s already re-signed with Barça.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:47 pm to
ah just seeing that now. missed that yesterday. oh well.
Posted by joey barton
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 4:57 pm to
Yeah, though I don't think that it has ever worked out for them

IIRC, they did it to Pique, Rossi, and Pogba. All three ended up moving on
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:15 pm to
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IIRC, they did it to Pique, Rossi, and Pogba. All three ended up moving on


Also Macheda and Petrucci from Lazio and Roma et al. Read where they've tried to sign quite a few more recently, mainly from Fiorentina's Primavera squad.

Seems that the Italian kids though have hit a developmental roadblock as soon as they get to their academy for whatever reason.




This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:23 pm to
mirror saying we're interested in torres lol

edit: not José Francisco Torres
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 5:24 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:28 pm to
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Seems that the Italian kids though have hit a developmental roadblock as soon as they get to their academy for whatever reason.



I think it's mostly that they don't play them. Pogba, Pique, and Rossi were all good enough for the first team squad, yet were not played in favor of such stalwarts as Wes Brown and John O'Shea. Pogba would have been a difference maker in United's midfield. He's going to be a superb player. I think he's the best young midfielder in the game.
Posted by joey barton
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:37 pm to
I believe that they had an excuse for Pique (Vidic and Rio) and Rossi (I think that that was 4-6-0 time)

SAF definitely fricked up with Pogba
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:55 pm to
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(Vidic and Rio)


They still gave Wes Brown games at CB.

What is the point in poaching young talent if you aren't going to play it?
Posted by joey barton
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:13 pm to
No clue
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:40 pm to
i would say kinda like Wenger giving Mark Randall time over Fran Merida but that didn't really work out either Merida is in Brazil now. pretty crazy. that kid had some talent.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:44 pm to
At that level, especially with youth, it becomes a matter of mental aptitude rather than outright talent. Decision making, on and off the field becomes paramount. Merida wasn't as good as Ramsey and so would probably have been cast off sooner or later.

I mean, I don't think there could have been much of a difference between Pogba at 19 and Pogba at 20. He's an incredible player. He's the type of player Wenger would have started as soon as he was remotely ready. It's a shame because I think he would dominate the English game. If he can avoid injuries, I think he can reach Vieria levels, if not Yaya Toure.
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:48 pm to
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Vieria levels, if not Yaya Toure.

Vieira level, if not, then at least Touré.

or

Vieira level, maybe even Touré level.




Which is it?
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:50 pm to
one who i forgot that we poached then let leave is Håvard Nordtveit. didn't play him at all, now he's a highly rated, skilled DM (something we could use) who took Baby Bradley's spot and ran with it at Gladbach.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:54 pm to
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Vieira level, if not, then at least Touré.



The first.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

one who i forgot that we poached then let leave is Håvard Nordtveit. didn't play him at all, now he's a highly rated, skilled DM (something we could use) who took Baby Bradley's spot and ran with it at Gladbach.



Yeah that seems like a little bit of a mistake. We should have at least gotten a bigger fee for him. I don't know if he would have slotted right in our side, but he could have competed for a spot with Coquelin and Frimpong. I think Wenger had higher expectations for Frimpong, as he was called up to the first team the same year as Wilshere, and was just as prolific on the youth level, albeit in a defensive role.
Posted by lynxcat
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 10:37 pm to
The Draxler kid was one of the best highlight vids I have seen...he just got a new fan and I have a reason to watch Schalke now
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28419 posts
Posted on 6/30/13 at 3:42 am to
Ditto. Smart, skilled, and unselfish. I fap to that shite.
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