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Tiger Voodoo
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The only player I truly DO NOT want us to draft at 15 is Mingo. I just think at best he's a project, no technique and lightweight, but we have needs where draftees could contribute immediately. We have a real shot to compete for a title this year if we add a true difference maker. Mingo just won't be that in 2013 IMO.

There are too many guys that fit our needs that have great potential available to take a risk on a guy that may never develop.

1. Luke Joeckel
2. Shariff Floyd
3. Eric Fisher
4. Lane Johnson
5. Sheldon Richardson
6. Star Latoulelei
7. Jarvis Jones
8. Dion Jordan
9. Desmond Trufant
10.Dee Milliner
11. Ezekial Ansah
12. Tavon Austin
13. Jonathan Cooper
14. Chance Warmack


Those are the guys that I really want (Cooper and Warmack are just low bc G isn't really a need while all of those other positions are, but they likely won't be there anyway).

Of course we pick 15, so we need at least one of them to fall.


Even if all of those 14 are gone, I still would take Rhodes, Ogeltree, Weorner, Patterson, or Hankins before Mingo.

Would really love moving back to 21 or so and picking up a 2nd rounder and taking whoever is left out of those guys I mentioned.

That would be ideal IMO.




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lsutigers1992
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What about Matt Barkley?



































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slackhouse
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The only player I truly DO NOT want us to draft at 15 is Mingo
well, he's going to end up going top 5, so you don't have to worry about that.






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FleuryNipples
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Disaster. It's done guys. Season is done before it ever started.







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SaintLSUnAtl
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Hating on Mingo on st seems to be the cool thing right now

If he's there at 15 and jones and Jordan are gone I take him in a second. I think he's gonna be a stud. Tbh I think he was out of place as a 4-3 de at LSU. Put him at 3-4 olb and he thrives






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slackhouse
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Hating on Mingo on st seems to be the cool thing right now
seriously. i don't know what the deal. guy goes out and absolutely dominates the NFL Combine and LSU Pro Day. Some scouts have said he has had the best workouts of any DE/LB they've ever seen. He's drawing physical comparisons to Jevon Kearse.

Nah, Saint's Talk doesn't want him.






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Tiger Voodoo
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I'm definitely not doing this cause it's the in thing.

I've felt this way since he was at LSU. I just don't see any technique and I definitely don't see any strength. He's 100% speed. I tend to think he'll struggle to adjust to the NFL level.

And I've said all along he was a sure fire top 10 pick. It's obvious someone is going to fall in love with his speed. He was always going to blow up the combine and pro day.

I just really think his impact this year will be limited to a couple of game where he'll dominate some RT and get like 3 or 4 sacks. So he'll end up with a respectable 8 sacks or so but he will just disappear in like 12 games.

That's just my honest opinion.

I think we need a player that can impact every game and not just on 3rd and long.






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slackhouse
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I've felt this way since he was at LSU. I just don't see any technique and I definitely don't see any strength. He's 100% speed. I tend to think he'll struggle to adjust to the NFL level.
i think being buddies and playing with Sam Montgomery hurt him. If he'd had been on a team with a guy who worked his butt off like Glenn Dorsey, I think you'd have seen him perform more consistently. There's no doubt that Mingo was guilty of slacking off like Montgomery, he was just smart enough to not talk about it.

Mingo's success will 100% be determined by how hard he works and how much he wants it.



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SaintLSUnAtl
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I just don't see any technique and I definitely don't see any strength. He's 100% speed


Watching him play though, that speed is impressive coming off the edge.

I think he can add size/strength easy enough. He got bigger and stronger while at LSU but just not as big or strong as you'd like. If he can fill out that frame a little more without losing speed he could be elite.

I've just seen teams pass on a lot of prospects b/c they are "raw" and regret it. The opposite is also true though. That's why the draft is such a crapshoot. We'll all be proven right/wrong in a few years.






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blueslover
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ANALYSIS: With the elite pass rushers off the board the Saints address the secondary by picking up the draft’s top safety in Kenny Vaccaro from Texas. New Orleans is certainly a team that could move up or down this draft’s first round depending on what happens ahead of them.


In this particular scenario I'd predict a trade up to #12 to get Lotulelei.

Saints trade #15 & #75 for Miami's #12 & #111 (4th Rd)

Miami could likely still get Trufant at #15

However, Miami is loaded with 11 picks and is thought to be ready to make a big move up to get Lane Johnson to replace Jake Long.






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mm2316
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Ogletrees off field issues seem small to me.

Agreed. Like I said, I think he was just a dumb college kid who made a couple of mistakes. Found this in his NFL.com draft profile:

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He returned to the field against Florida and went on to earn the team's David Jacobs Award as a player who, by example, portrays courage, spirit, character and determination.

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elprez00
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Grab teo then tyrann. Shepard with the second second round pick acquired in trade

When are we gonna draft Wing?






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SaintLSUnAtl
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In this particular scenario I'd predict a trade up to #12 to get Lotulelei.

Saints trade #15 & #75 for Miami's #12 & #111 (4th Rd)


I'll punch myself in the dick if this happens






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blueslover
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I'll punch myself in the dick if this happens

to be clear, I was predicting not advocating

I wouldn't be disappointed though. NT would be anchored in the new 3-4 for a decade. His upside potential is near Haloti Ngata (who went #12).






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SaintLSUnAtl
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Yeah, I know. I wouldn't mind star at all. It just seems that trading up has never really been worth it for us. History seems to repeat itself.

Williams - good back but not worth 48 draft picks

Sullivan -

Ingram - getting better but still I'd like to have had a first rounder last year. He certainly wasn't worth a first and second rounder.

Even later in drafts has been mixed results. Everyone is like WTF when we trade up to get a punter and he's been the best move made. Al woods and Antonio Pittman didnt even make the team!

Also, didnt we trade back in to the seventh round to draft Arrington?



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jralspanky
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Minnesota wants/needs a reciever. Saints trade #15 for Minnesota's #23 and #83...

Saints pick
#23 Datone Jones – DE - UCLA
#75 Brandon Williams, DT – Missouri Southern
#83 Blidi Wreh Wilson, CB – Connecticut






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FootballNostradamus
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In that situation it would all revolve around Tavon Austin. If you can get the Vikings to trade up for him, great. If not, you take him.

It would be that simple for me.






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blueslover
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It just seems that trading up has never really been worth it for us

I understand that sentiment but whether to the upside or downside ya gotta use the investment axiom that past performance is not indicative of future results. You do whatcha think is best for the team. Saying we won't get good results from trading up is akin to saying we won't draft player X cuz we haven't good results from players at that college.






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mm2316
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Saying we won't get good results from trading up is akin to saying we won't draft player X cuz we haven't good results from players at that college.

But Stallworth and Meachem played at Tennessee!






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