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"Use of +P and +P+ ammunition accelerates wear and reduces the service life
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:21 am
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:21 am
on the component parts of any pistol, including the P series pistols, and is not recommended."
Is this just legalese? It's right out my operators manual. I thought those hot rounds, assuming they're just referring to 9mm, had the same chamber pressures as my 357sig? I wonder what other stresses they're worried about?
Is this just legalese? It's right out my operators manual. I thought those hot rounds, assuming they're just referring to 9mm, had the same chamber pressures as my 357sig? I wonder what other stresses they're worried about?
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:29 am to Gaston
Some pistols you can, with the associated accelerated wear. Some you can NOT.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:32 am to Springfield XD
quote:What is the best way to find out whether your gun can handle it or not?
Some pistols you can, with the associated accelerated wear. Some you can NOT.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:37 am to Uncle JackD
My bodyguard .38 had it on the barrel and its also in the owners manual.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:40 am to hugo
My 38 is +P. It will never wear out. I shoot regular rounds and keep +P in as protection rounds. Every now and then I'll shoot a +P just because.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:43 am to Uncle JackD
I believe my m&p shield said it in the manual or on S&W website.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:44 am to sloopy
Said what? It is OK to shoot them, just expect accelerated wear?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:49 am to Gaston
I don't remember anything about accelerated wear, but it definitely said it was ok to shoot them. I only shoot one every so often, just have them in there for home defense because I never got around to buying other rounds.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:49 am to Uncle JackD
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What is the best way to find out whether your gun can handle it or not?
Easiest way to find out
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:50 am to sloopy
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I only shoot one every so often, just have them in there for home defense because I never got around to buying other rounds.
This. I don't use them for target shooting, but if my arse or anyone else's arse is on the line, I'm not concerned about wear. Call me a rebel.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 7:51 am to Gaston
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just expect accelerated wear?
Anytime you are putting more pressure on a gun wear will accelerate. Just like a boxer. They can only take so many punches, a gun can only take so many shots. It may take ten of thousands to wear it but wear is occurring.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:45 am to Nodust
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It may take ten of thousands to wear it but wear is occurring.
It just seems random to me. They make a P2000 in 9mm and 357sig and then warn the 9mm owner not to shoot ammo with almost the same chamber pressures of the 357sig. It seems like the 357sig, shooting standard loads, would wear faster than the 9mm with +P+, so why warn the 9mm owner? It just seemed like legal talk since maybe HK doesn't trust all the +P+ loads out there.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:53 am to Gaston
+P just means the round is over standard pressures as observed by SAAMI (sp?). +P+ is just over that next threshold.
I have +p ammo loaded in all my guns. The easiest way to know if your gun can handle it is to contact the manufacturer. For the most part, most guns can. Cheaper ones like hi pernts and diamondbacks probably can't handle it if I had to guess.
I have +p ammo loaded in all my guns. The easiest way to know if your gun can handle it is to contact the manufacturer. For the most part, most guns can. Cheaper ones like hi pernts and diamondbacks probably can't handle it if I had to guess.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:55 am to bapple
I'd expect a P30 could eat them up, but that statement was taken directly from its manual.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:56 am to Gaston
I would imagine so too, but if ever in doubt, call the head honchos.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 8:56 am to bapple
I've never understood the need for +P or +P+. Anybody?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 9:07 am to Broke
Higher velocity = more boom per grain
Posted on 4/2/13 at 9:16 am to Crawdaddy
It'll wear out. Any gun will wear out with enough rounds no matter what you feed it. Shooting higher pressure rounds is going to accelerate the wear regardless of the gun. The degree that it accelerates wear depends on the gun.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 9:33 am to Crawdaddy
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My 38 is +P. It will never wear out. I shoot regular rounds and keep +P in as protection rounds. Every now and then I'll shoot a +P just because.
Lets be real, none of us really practice enough with the majority of our firearms to wear them out.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 10:02 am to Broke
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I've never understood the need for +P or +P+. Anybody?
Stopping power and penetration. It's for self defense, not plinking.
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