re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

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Is there any difference between setting the frame limiter at 60 as opposed to using vsync?

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Yeah, there's a big difference. Tearing can actually be pretty bad at 60fps without vsync. As you probably know, GPUs don't necessarily render each frame at a consistent interval. In a perfect scenario, 60 fps would mean a new frame approximately every 16.66667 ms, but in reality, you might see the next frame 14ms later, and the frame after that renders in 17.9ms, etc. If any given frame is rendered even slightly out of sync with the refresh rate, it causes tearing. Since there's inherently going to be some level of frame latency with any GPU, the frame time variance is going to put nearly every single frame out of sync with the refresh rate if you have it limited to 60 -- so lots of partial frames being displayed with each refresh cycle, thus tearing.

What vsync does is force the GPU to wait for the next monitor refresh cycle before it renders a frame so that every refresh cycle gets a full frame rather than 2/3rds of the last one and 1/3rd of the next one, etc.

That's the appeal of gsync/freesync. Instead of the GPU waiting for the next refresh cycle, it dictates the next refresh cycle, so each refresh cycle will have some variance due to frame latency, but you'll see 1 full frame every time.

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need help. I have a normal desktop that sits at the F12 screen when I boot the computer and it sits there for five minutes before it finally loads. Is there something in the bios I can change to fix this?

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The screen that tells you to pick a boot option? Or are you talking about the post screen that initializes all your devices before you see the windows logo? If so, it may be hanging on a device that won't initialize properly. Best approach is to run the PC barebones. Remove all but one stick of RAM, remove every device attached to your PC except the monitor, mouse, and keyboard (so disconnect external drives, flash drives, microphones, headsets, USB wifi, etc), and disconnect every internal drive except the one that holds your OS. If it fixes the problem, plug in one thing at a time and reboot each time until it stalls again.

Ain't no body got time for that.

It's my sisters computer. I just told her to deal with it. Thanks for the info though. I'll keep that in mind when I need to check my PC.

Ahh..I wasn't even paying attention to the case he had. Good catch.

Either card will suit him. Just depends on what he wants to spend.

I looked for a cheaper PSU because he doesn't need 750W but there is nothing Silver or Gold and modular that beats that XFX for $80.

Brooo, I will pay you some moneys to ship those cards... My buddy is coming in town next week and wants to play some

I'd hold out for the blowjob Stout.. I think he'll do it.

Yes, the HAF 932 is behind the times. It doesn't seem to accommodate much in the way of water cooling despite it being advertised for watercooling and featuring some watercooling-related features, like the top fill port hole. But in reality, you can't do anything remarkable other than mounting a 120x2 radiator at the top, whether it's an all-in-one or custom. I did a ton of modding on mine to add a full custom loop, but in the end I just couldn't handle the lack of space. I ended up going with a 900D, but that's going to be way too huge for your setup.

Some popular H110-compatible cases include the NZXT Phantom 410, Source 520, and a bunch of Corsair cases.

so a buddy of mine saw my build and asked if I was interested in building him one

he doesn't game or have any interest in gaming and he wants to spend like $450

I imagine this won't be too difficult

Too late. Sold on HWswap with the blocks.

$500 for both. They were priced to sell. Sold in about 12 hours.