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Tom288
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


Normal person on gay marriage: "Why the frick was this ever an 'issue' to begin with?"





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Nuts4LSU
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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So you honestly believe that some sort of media campaign has changed American opinion on the issue of gay marriage? Swinging public opinion by 10-15% points, yes absolutely. You give people far too much credit if you think they would have devoted even an hour of contemplation to the subject over the last 5 years without gay characters being placed front and center.


No doubt the more attention the issue has received the more people have changed their minds and decided to support legalization of gay marriage. But it wasn't TV characters who did that. It was evangelical Christians who ran around the country circulating petitions to get intiatives on the ballot to ban gay marriage when it was already outlawed. It was evangelical Christians who used their TV broadcasts to demonize gays and basically accuse them of causing the fall of civilization.

Until the evangelical Christians did that, there wasn't much national debate on gay rights in general. As you say, people would probably not have devoted even an hour of contemplation to the subject. The Christian right could have kept it that way by just ignoring gay people, but instead it chose to bring them into prominence by attacking them and pushing those ballot initiatives. Once it was regularly on the ballots and being discussed all the time, it got into the mainstream of public debate. That always foreshadows the death of discrimination against and denial of basic civil rights to a group unfairly.

Don't blame the media. Don't blame the left. Don't even blame the gays themselves. Blame the right wing extremists who tried to exploit Christian hatred and bigotry just to get them to the polls to vote Republican.



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dominustd
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Get over yourselves. Not everyone is a Christian. By forcing your beliefs via state and national law on others who don't believe as you do, you're no better than the Taliban IMO.

I'm a straight Christian man but I don't plan on force feeding my beliefs down someone's throat if their views don't align with mine, so long as my rights are not infringed upon. Gay marriage is something that has ZERO effect on me or how I live my life, so IDGAF if it is legal.

I don't want others telling me how to live my life and I'm not going to tell them how to live theirs.


Really? That is pure drivel.

Marriage is defined as man and woman and is time tested.

Guess who is force feeding their beliefs on marriage? It's not Christians.

If you think this issue is not going after churches, then you are blind. Next up, churches who refuse to perform gay ceremonies.

The forcing here is one sided, from the left and the willing ignorant libertarians.






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dominustd
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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I am not really a "strong" supporter of gay marriage as much as I am about exposing the hypocrisy of those who oppose.


Marriage= man and woman. End hypocrisy.

Those who support gay marriage AND claim to be Christian are hypocrites.






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Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


I found the most interesting thing that he said in that piece on gay marriage is how just two years ago, Obama, Hillary and many Dems. were on record as against gay marriage. Suddenly the Dems. donations from gays began to dry up. Biden was one of the first to flip for gay marriage, and once Obama did, the floodgates of flipping began and donations started pouring in.





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VOR
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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The question I have is why so many straight people care so much about defending gay people's rights to get married. In all the topics about this on here lately you have church going people against it and other people saying there's nothing wrong with it. I have come to the conclusion that:

A. The people defending it are gay and just trying to extend their rights

or

B. They just have issue with religion and see that religious people are against it so they just take the opportunity to debate religion with them and tell them how the Bible is just an old book full of incorrect info. Mostly they do this by quoting the Bible out of context.

This is an issue more about ones moral beliefs and where those are obtained. If in church you are against it and if you don't believe in God then you just pick and choose your morals like in a Picadilly. The debate is never ending because non-believers can never admit there is a God and they will never convert believers



Well, there is a choice C, and that is that many of us don't see any reason to deny our fellow citizens this specific right that the rest of us enjoy. And, whether you accept it or not, there are some devout Christians who do not oppose gay marriage.






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TenTex
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


Why on earth do people still listen to that wind bag?





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NC_Tigah
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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I found the most interesting thing that he said in that piece on gay marriage is how just two years ago, Obama, Hillary and many Dems. were on record as against gay marriage. Suddenly the Dems. donations from gays began to dry up. Biden was one of the first to flip for gay marriage, and once Obama did, the floodgates of flipping began and donations started pouring in.
Interesting observation. Don't know if it's true (and frankly doubt it is), but I have no problem whatsoever with groups supporting their cause with their pocketbooks.






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davesdawgs
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Georgia
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


I don't see that it matters. What Rush should be pushing is the government getting out of the marriage business in favor of civil unions. Rand Paul has it right; government needs to butt out.





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dominustd
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Well, there is a choice C, and that is that many of us don't see any reason to deny our fellow citizens this specific right that the rest of us enjoy.


They already enjoy their lifestyle, so no need to change the definition of marriage or expand gov't. There is more to this than just gay marriage. Churches are next.

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And, whether you accept it or not, there are some devout Christians who do not oppose gay marriage.


Whether YOU accept it or not, they are either not devout or ignorant of Christian principles.






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VOR
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Whether YOU accept it or not, they are either not devout or ignorant of Christian principles.


Well now I know. When I want to determine if I or anyone else is being a devout Christian, all I have to do is consult the self-anointed arbiter of such things . . . dominustd.






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DvlsAdvocat
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Well, there is a choice C, and that is that many of us don't see any reason to deny our fellow citizens this specific right...


This.






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GumboPot
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Well now I know. When I want to determine if I or anyone else is being a devout Christian, all I have to do is consult the self-anointed arbiter of such things


Nah, the Jesus anointed arbiter of such things.






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dominustd
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Well now I know. When I want to determine if I or anyone else is being a devout Christian, all I have to do is consult the self-anointed arbiter of such things . . . dominustd.


No. Consult God, then the Bible and actually respond to His teachings accordingly.

Marriage=man and woman according to both. Devout Christians cannot ignore basic teachings.



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Jake88
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


You make a very good point that I hadn't recalled/considered. I've altered my thinking on the catalyst.

I still, though, believe that presentation of gay characters in the media is responsible for about 70% of the 15 point swing in public opinion.






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NC_Tigah
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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many of us don't see any reason to deny our fellow citizens this specific right






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EZE Tiger Fan
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Don't blame the media. Don't blame the left. Don't even blame the gays themselves. Blame the right wing extremists who tried to exploit Christian hatred and bigotry just to get them to the polls to vote Republican.


I'm FOR gay marriage, but constant stupidity like this really annoys me. It really does.

We get it: Nuts4LSU hates republicans. Great.

With that said, how the mother of all fricks does gay marriage get VOTED DOWN IN CALIFORNIA? Explain this to me, please. Go ahead. Humor me.

It wasn't a bunch of "evil evangelicals" voting, was it?

PS - I'm an athiest too, so don't try and pull your bull shite with me.

Anything else you want to blame on Republicans?

If this is really ALL the fault of the Republicans, then I would say 2 of three isn't bad. After all, they supported civil rights and a woman's right to vote when Democrats didn't.






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VOR
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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NC_Tigah


NC, you keep arguing as if they are not denied that right. Please explain what you mean. Can a gay couple get married in Louisiana and have it recognized by the state?






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Jake88
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


Why do you consistently post such empty, tired drivel?





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OMLandshark
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re: Rush Limbaugh on gay marriage: “This issue is lost”


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Don't read much, eh?


I find this laughable from someone who doesn't even understand the most basic English words.






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