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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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this, and about 90% of this board believes he is the anti-christ


The same 90% that watches Fox news and supported GWB with the same passion that the lefties support Obama and his frick ups?






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


He sucks up to the religious types as a phone politician does. More interested in them than to his leftist base.





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slackhouse
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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The same 90% that watches Fox news and supported GWB with the same passion that the lefties support Obama and his frick ups?
you'd be hard pressed to find 50% of people on this board that watch Fox News and supported GWB by the end of his presidency. Most conservatives despised GWB's policies by the time he left office. And, most get 99.9% of their news online.






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Rohan2Reed
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


because the Left has done a very good job of convincing liberals and moderates that if Republicans are elected they are going to get rid of the Constitution and implement a strict adherence to the Bible as the national standard for justice and law-making and teach in every school that the Earth is 4,000 years old and dinosaur bones were put there by God to test humanity's faith.





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Nuts4LSU
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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go as far as to call religious people stupid/ignorant/whatever for example, on this board this weekend Rex said the following: quote:A Jesus subscription comes with a free issue of stupid.


It would be silly to assume that everyone who professes a belief in a god is stupid. The ones who are stupid are the ones who go overboard with it preaching biblical literalism and thinking their religious beliefs are a valid source of law.

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so why is Obama, an avowed Christian, not criticized as being stupid by progressives?


Any politician who wants to be elected to anything has to be "an avowed Christian". I don't believe what politicians say about their religious beliefs any more than I believe anything else they say. They say whatever it takes to get elected. If they make religion an important part of their policies, then I'll call them stupid.






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constant cough
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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this, and about 90% of this board believes he is the anti-christ


Well we know he is the devil.







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lsu13lsu
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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Because they believe he is lying about his beliefs to get elected and, since they believe ANYTHING is allowable in order to achieve their goals, it's all good.

Liberals do not give one single frick about lying. Liberals don't even consider lying bad. They only consider it bad if it hurts THEIR cause.

Lying in itself is not a bad thing at all for a liberal.


Nailed it.






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Nuts4LSU
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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the Left has done a very good job of convincing liberals and moderates that if Republicans are elected they are going to get rid of the Constitution and implement a strict adherence to the Bible as the national standard for justice and law-making and teach in every school that the Earth is 4,000 years old and dinosaur bones were put there by God to test humanity's faith.


The left certainly hasn't done that by itself. The religious right has been a big help in that process. The fact is that religious people do try to insert their religious dogma into public school curricula, and they do try to enact their religious beliefs into law. I doubt anybody thinks they will "get rid of the Constitution", but the rest isn't at all far off from what they already try to do and no doubt would do if they had the power.






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Cruiserhog
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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so why is Obama, an avowed Christian, not criticized as being stupid by progressives?


same reason as why do religious people get a pass period...every Sunday across this land 70 percent of the people get to act like fool ravers, prostrate themselves, speak in tongues, handle snakes, worship a nonexistent skydaddy and read from a book which is known to be mostly forgeries.

religious people expect some stupid arse relief from ridicule when in any other form of human discourse you would be scorned for acting like the above, no different for Obama.






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EZE Tiger Fan
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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you'd be hard pressed to find 50% of people on this board that watch Fox News and supported GWB by the end of his presidency. Most conservatives despised GWB's policies by the time he left office. And, most get 99.9% of their news online.


My reply was sarcasm.

I'm aware that most "righties" aren't as stupid as lefties that love Obama.






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davesdawgs
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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Because Obama is NOT a Christian. He's only Christian for political expediency and most people know this. It's like he wasn't for gay marriage when everyone knew he was for it. The dude's a walking talking lie.






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Rohan2Reed
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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same reason as why do religious people get a pass period...every Sunday across this land 70 percent of the people get to act like fool ravers, prostrate themselves, speak in tongues, handle snakes, worship a nonexistent skydaddy and read from a book which is known to be mostly forgeries.


very true. but just because they partake in this type of weak-minded tomfoolery doesn't mean they're going to stop the progress of civilization. the majority of Christians i've met are good about keeping their personal religious beliefs to themselves. i don't let a small group of blowhards make up my mind on the majority of Christians.

and for the record I don't believe in or practice a religion






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Bayou Sam
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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i think it is a statement on a few things.

1. their acceptance of lies/manipulation
2. their always-changing sets of ideals
3. the fact that even a progressive in a society consistently moving left, requires a Christian as president


There have been mmany "Christian" presidents who were really humanist / deist / atheist / whatever, just as there are many, many "conservative evangelical" politicians who don't "really" believe.

Only a fool would really care about this "lie". It would be like calling Lincoln a "hypocrite" for using biblical language in his speeches.






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Antonio Moss
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“Freedom of speech and artistic expression are critically important,” the petition reads,” “but this isn’t about free speech. This is hate speech.”



True progressives don't believe in a freedom of speech.






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Rohan2Reed
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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True progressives don't believe in a freedom of speech.



:Kirchner:






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SlowFlowPro
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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Only a fool would really care about this "lie"

how do you determine which lies are important ?

how do you identify the lies or truths?



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DvlsAdvocat
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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so why is Obama, an avowed Christian, not criticized as being stupid by progressives?


I personally don't believe he's really all that religious, but is going through the motions of piety to appease the folks who think you have to have a God fearin' leader.

Also, I wouldn't have ever voted for him if I thought he was going to support legislation based on so called "godly/biblical" principles.



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JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


Dvs advocat shake hands You said it perfectly to appease people and suck up to the religous crowd right and left





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McLemore
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


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ShortyRob


couldn't have said it better. well, not much better anyway. spot on.






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Bayou Sam
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re: Why do Anti-religious Progressives give Obama a pass?


This question is complicated. First, it's not clear if it's a "lie" at all. There are all kinds of ways people accommodate their inner beliefs to publicly accepted forms. It's also not clear what it means to be a "true Christian". Is a Unitarian a real Christian? Can "real Christians" support gay marriage? Can "real Christians" believe in the "human truths" of Christianity and not believe in miracles, etc.? Can "real Christians" believe in universal salvation? Believe that all religions have "an element of truth" in them? Really we don't know Obama's inner religious beliefs, and what it means to be a true Christian is itself a contested matter.

On the second question, I'm not one of these irreligious people who think religion should be destroyed. I don't have a problem with "under God" in the Pledge, etc. However, I think "under God" in the pledge is clearly "a lie"--that is, a fiction of American civil religion. I don't think it's a problem, however. Same with "in God we trust" on our money. There isn't much of a difference between that and a Roman making himself look like Zeus on his coinage. I.e., a kind of propaganda I don't have a problem with.

These are basically the equivalents of "noble lies" in my view; lies that have a certain beneficial effect on society. We can compare these to all of the massive historical simplifications we teach the young, and what we omit from the historical record. It's fine to "lie" to the public on these matters, or so it seems to me.

Another sort of ok lies are state secrets in times of warfare or surrounding national security.

Bad lies would include hypocrisy or any lie that covers over a crime or something genuinely immoral. Hypocrisy is bad because it undermines authority. It should also be obvious to any educated person or person of experience that many of these things overlap and one has to judge the individual case according to particular circumstances.






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