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Drywall question...here or OT lounge?
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:21 pm
I'm gonna ask here as most of you guys are pretty handy kinda guys.
When you have to rip a sheet of dry wall along its long side...how do you keep it from cracking up the gypsum inside? How do you keep it from cracking when you go to put in the screws into the studs?
Thanks.
When you have to rip a sheet of dry wall along its long side...how do you keep it from cracking up the gypsum inside? How do you keep it from cracking when you go to put in the screws into the studs?
Thanks.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:23 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Score it with a razor knife instead of cutting it with a saw.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:25 pm to tenfoe
Ok...I've heard the same there and that helps with the cutting part....but how about the fixing it to the stud? Does that keep it from cracking there too?
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:26 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Box knife, should get a clean cut
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:26 pm to tenfoe
quote:
Score it with a razor knife instead of cutting it with a saw.
70% of the time it works every time.
Seriously: works really well.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:29 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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Does that keep it from cracking there too?
Nah, just get better at patching it. Channel your inner Messican.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:32 pm to tenfoe
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Channel your inner Messican.
I LOL'ed when I read that.
Not worried too much about cosmetics...just don't want it cracked up on the stud...or is that another purpose of the tape/mud (and I didn't know it)?
As you can tell..I don't do much drywall. In fact I hate the stuff.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:34 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
The screws should be counter sunk. Not so far that the paper tears but enough to fill mud on top. Then just sand down after it dries.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:37 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Score it first, and then make your way to a clean cut. Cut it with a razor knife. The key is clean cuts and not messing up the gypsum inside.
When putting it in, just hit in a couple of nails first to hold it in place, and come back and finish the job later with screws. It is much easier than trying to hold up an entire sheet and screw it in. For beginners, nails on the edges typically work the best because if you over tighten the screws, you end up with crumbled drywall
I sure hope a NASA ISS guy can figure that stuff out. If not, we're in some serious trouble, boom
When putting it in, just hit in a couple of nails first to hold it in place, and come back and finish the job later with screws. It is much easier than trying to hold up an entire sheet and screw it in. For beginners, nails on the edges typically work the best because if you over tighten the screws, you end up with crumbled drywall
I sure hope a NASA ISS guy can figure that stuff out. If not, we're in some serious trouble, boom
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:41 pm to tenfoe
Cracking the gypsym is the goal when "cutting" rock.
You score the paper on the front where you want it cut and then slap the back of the piece with your hand making the gypsym pop along the cut then you use your blade to cut the backing paper before you pop it back forward.
Then us use one of these:
to run down the cut edge to smooth any irregularities.
Rock pops when good and fresh
Old rock bends and breaks unevenly do to absorbed moisture.
As far as making sure the integrety of the underlying rock is disturbed when screwing it in place, you need to do a few things. Your screw gun (if you have one) is designed to pull the bit out of the head of the screw when it gets deep enough for the rock to hit the gaurd. It also leaves the appropriate size divit so the mud will stick later. The correct depth is just deep enough so the head of the screw is indented but not breaking the surface of the paper.
also you want to try to keep the screws at least 1/2" from the edge of the rock
If you do not have a screw gun you will need to buy a special drywall driver bit that will do the same thing. It will not leave a good divet though so you will need to divet over tthe screws with a tap by a drywall hammer, which has a rounded striking face for such a purpose.
and
You score the paper on the front where you want it cut and then slap the back of the piece with your hand making the gypsym pop along the cut then you use your blade to cut the backing paper before you pop it back forward.
Then us use one of these:
to run down the cut edge to smooth any irregularities.
Rock pops when good and fresh
Old rock bends and breaks unevenly do to absorbed moisture.
As far as making sure the integrety of the underlying rock is disturbed when screwing it in place, you need to do a few things. Your screw gun (if you have one) is designed to pull the bit out of the head of the screw when it gets deep enough for the rock to hit the gaurd. It also leaves the appropriate size divit so the mud will stick later. The correct depth is just deep enough so the head of the screw is indented but not breaking the surface of the paper.
also you want to try to keep the screws at least 1/2" from the edge of the rock
If you do not have a screw gun you will need to buy a special drywall driver bit that will do the same thing. It will not leave a good divet though so you will need to divet over tthe screws with a tap by a drywall hammer, which has a rounded striking face for such a purpose.
and
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:42 pm to tenfoe
quote:
Score it with a razor knife instead of cutting it with a saw.
working with and installing sheetrock is easy.. Mud-work is a pain.
I do all my rock work but sub out the mud work like right now I need a room done and am waiting on my guy so I can paint.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:46 pm to Bleeding purple
A few other essentials
one small enought you can palm and not one with a tape release on the bottom of the tape.
the instant change button on the side makes all the difference trust me.
and this is a drywall screw gun
notice how the tip is designed and holds the bit countersunk.
you will need lots of these too.
one small enought you can palm and not one with a tape release on the bottom of the tape.
the instant change button on the side makes all the difference trust me.
and this is a drywall screw gun
notice how the tip is designed and holds the bit countersunk.
you will need lots of these too.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:47 pm to Hammertime
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I sure hope a NASA ISS guy can figure that stuff out. If not, we're in some serious trouble, boom
Wow. Really? What does command and control of a spacecraft have to do with someone asking questions about installing sheetrock?
What's wrong with asking questions before you start on a job you've never done before? Where I come from..that's what you're supposed to do rather than waste time and money.
Whatever man.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:49 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
FWIW the worse customer we ever hung rock for was an engineer.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:56 pm to Bleeding purple
Thanks everyone for the help.
and Bleeding..I can honestly understand about that worse customer. I actually don't do much carpentry type stuff. That was my dad's job (may he RIP). I just helped. I was always the electrician/wire/code guy. He was the piping/structural (non-moving) guy. We split the mechanical responsibilities.
I picked up quite a few things in learning from him...but we never did sheetrock. So it's a learning curve I have to progress on my own.
That's why I'm here asking questions. Seems like some folks just know this stuff already...I don't, but I don't want to strike off on a bad note...and waste my time/money..but it's a small job so I don't want to hire it out. And no, it's not a money thing...more like finding a carpenter willing to take a small job (and me actually trusting the guy...been screwed over here in N. Bama..I learn quick).
and Bleeding..I can honestly understand about that worse customer. I actually don't do much carpentry type stuff. That was my dad's job (may he RIP). I just helped. I was always the electrician/wire/code guy. He was the piping/structural (non-moving) guy. We split the mechanical responsibilities.
I picked up quite a few things in learning from him...but we never did sheetrock. So it's a learning curve I have to progress on my own.
That's why I'm here asking questions. Seems like some folks just know this stuff already...I don't, but I don't want to strike off on a bad note...and waste my time/money..but it's a small job so I don't want to hire it out. And no, it's not a money thing...more like finding a carpenter willing to take a small job (and me actually trusting the guy...been screwed over here in N. Bama..I learn quick).
Posted on 3/22/13 at 1:59 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Hey man, no worries. You seem like a good guy.
Go take a look at the stickied thread above for my take on people asking questions with true desire to learn.
When it comes to finishing let me know if ya have questions.
Go take a look at the stickied thread above for my take on people asking questions with true desire to learn.
When it comes to finishing let me know if ya have questions.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:00 pm to Bleeding purple
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also you want to try to keep the screws at least 1/2" from the edge of the rock
Ah ha. A jewel of information. That's the magic thing I was looking for. How much difference do I split the stud with the other sheet and how far back do I keep it to prevent it from cracking at the edge.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:02 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Good luck and post some pics, BOOM!
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:02 pm to Bleeding purple
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Bleeding purple
Thanks for all the knowledge and help.
And yes..I do have a desire to learn.
In fact..this NASA gig is getting boring for me...and that's one reason I'm looking for something else...LOL.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:06 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
quote:nasser feller,, you think you could get Trigger, my old faithful Lil Rascal running straight? He's leading with his left wheel, when i'm turnin' hard to the right..
What does command and control of a spacecraft
btw,,,you can just about get all the right answers to just about any question on this board,, probly some of these guys could even help you with tuning up yer little rocket,,, but ya might wanna develop a little bit thicker skin, there's some real smart asses in here...
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