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The SCOTUS ruled such regulation was allowable, but shite dick judge is Orleans thinks it isn't?

Big surprise.






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braindeadboxer
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I say it again and again. If they are safe enough to be released in the street, they should get ALL rights back. If they are still dangerous then lengthen prison sentences to suit. I have nothing to be concerned about with a convicted felon who served time for failure to pay taxes or some other nonviolent crime having a gun. Hopefully this amendment provides a recourse to such absurdity. The "felon in possession" statute should be used strictly on violent offenders as in someone was injured by use of force or seriously threatened with injury.





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I am not going to form an opinion unless I know details. I think some felons should have the right to own a gun, based on the felony. If it was a felony for embezzlement, then I don't see the problem of gun ownership. If it was for something violent then they don't need to have a gun.

I have no problem with getting rid of the broad term felony in relation to gun ownership and narrowing it down to certain types of felonies that restrict ownership.






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cssamerican
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Everyone who knew anything about the law knew this was going to be a consequence.

The State Supreme's will take it up soon, but everyone knew there would be a judge somewhere willing to make a name for themselves.

Who knows, the judge may be right. I haven't read the ruling.

It was absolutely a stupid and unnecessary amendment.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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So felons can have guns? Stupid





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AintBigButItsPretty
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95.1 was only for certain felonies and timelines applied anyway. It's still a violation of their probation or parole to possess a firearm so it's really not THAT big of a deal. It's also still a felony to possession a firearm in presence of a CDS for now which go hand in hand most of the time. I doubt this is the end of the this.


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VOR
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I doubt this is the end of the this.


Trust me. It isn't.


Nevertheless, this board has changed my mind. frick it. Any citizen should be able to own and pack any fricking thing they want. Shit, I think everyone should be required to carry, at the very least, a sidearm when in public. We'll be so much safer.






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AintBigButItsPretty
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I say it again and again. If they are safe enough to be released in the street, they should get ALL rights back. If they are still dangerous then lengthen prison sentences to suit. I have nothing to be concerned about with a convicted felon who served time for failure to pay taxes or some other nonviolent crime having a gun. Hopefully this amendment provides a recourse to such absurdity. The "felon in possession" statute should be used strictly on violent offenders as in someone was injured by use of force or seriously threatened with injury.

I'm not bashing you but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. In what world do ya'll see non-violent first offenders "serving time?" Certainly not in Louisiana. Almost everybody gets a suspended sentence for their first felony conviction and even some second and third felony convictions. Most judges refuse to revoke so many see very little time if any at all. The scenarios I've seen posted in this thread (embezzlement and fraud) almost always get probation and probation is a complete joke. I've seen fifth felony offenders get probation after a Distribution charge gets pled down to Attempted Distribution. Mind you, this cat has a 12 page rap sheet with Attempted Murder, multiple Batteries and drug offenses in his past. People on this board seem a little out of touch with reality.



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TigerintheNO
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I say it again and again. If they are safe enough to be released in the street, they should get ALL rights back.


If someone raped a kid, I don't want him anywhere or anytime close to a school. If he has a problem with that stay in prison.






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ChewyDante
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Barring felons from owing guns is now illegal in Louisiana


The way it should be IMO.






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jerep
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I say it again and again. If they are safe enough to be released in the street, they should get ALL rights back.


Exactly correct.

This would be a good result of this amendment. Living in a free society takes courage, something woefully missing in 21st century America.



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If someone raped a kid, I don't want him anywhere or anytime close to a school.


I agree, but this isn't really relevant. The statement wasn't, "They should be released and be allowed to exercise all of their rights." It was, "If they are safe enough to be released in the street, [then] they should ..."

In my opinion if someone raped a kid (or an adult) then they should be executed, not as a matter of revenge, but simply that for certain crimes the person should be permanantely removed from society.






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braindeadboxer
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In what world do ya'll see non-violent first offenders "serving time


Doesn't matter if they serve time or not. They are still a convicted felon and are barred from owning a firearm. You completly missed the point I was making. In fact in the next sentence I said strengthen sentencing guidlines to suit.

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People on this board seem a little out of touch with reality


I'm completly in touch with the reality of how badly our justice system is broken. They crackdown with extreme force on minor bull shite and aren't nearly tough enough on serious offenses.

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If someone raped a kid, I don't want him anywhere or anytime close to a school. If he has a problem with that stay in prison.


Me either. I never said let them go, I said the opposite. Dangerous people should permanently off the streets. Those who are released should have all their rights back, including gun rights. Rapist and child molestors should never see the light of day again.

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Living in a free society takes courage, something woefully missing in 21st century America.


We have become a nation of feel good pansies. If we had to fight WWII we would get our asses kicked by Hitler and the Japs.

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In my opinion if someone raped a kid (or an adult) then they should be executed, not as a matter of revenge, but simply that for certain crimes the person should be permanantely removed from society.








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brewhan davey
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Yeah.. the law banned all convicted felons from owning guns, not just those that were convicted of violent crimes. The main argument against that was it was essentially overly broad. I kind of figured that this would be the result.





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glock22josh
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These are the felonies that apply according to states site.

Felonies that apply according to LRS 14:2

(1) Solicitation for murder
(2) First degree murder
(3) Second degree murder
(4) Manslaughter
(5) Aggravated battery
(6) Second degree battery
(7) Aggravated assault
(8) Mingling harmful substances
(9) Aggravated rape
(10) Forcible rape
(11) Simple rape
(12) Sexual battery
(13) Second degree sexual battery
(14) Intentional exposure to AIDS virus
(15) Aggravated kidnapping
(16) Second degree kidnapping
(17) Simple kidnapping
(18) Aggravated arson
(19) Aggravated criminal damage to property
(20) Aggravated burglary
(21) Armed robbery
(22) First degree robbery
(23) Simple robbery
(24) Purse snatching
(25) Extortion
(26) Assault by drive-by shooting
(27) Aggravated crime against nature
(28) Carjacking
(29) Illegal use of weapons or dangerous instrumentalities
(30) Terrorism
(31) Aggravated second degree battery
(32) Aggravated assault upon a peace officer with a firearm
(33) Aggravated assault with a firearm
(34) Armed robbery; use of firearm; additional penalty
(35) Second degree robbery
(36) Disarming of a peace officer
(37) Stalking
(38) Second degree cruelty to juveniles
(39) Aggravated flight from an officer
(40) Aggravated incest
(41) Battery of a police officer
(42) Trafficking of children for sexual purposes
(43) Human trafficking
(44) Home invasion






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N.O. via West-Cal
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I saw the amendment as unnecessary and unclear, which allows for these types of rulings. It struck me as a feel good amendment in a pro-gun state to protect us from a threat that didn't exist. It will be interesting to see what the State Supreme Court does; nothing else really matters.





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olgoi khorkhoi
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The only thing this potentially changes is that when a felon wants a gun he has the option to obtain one legally and pay sales taxes. If the law was a barrier to felons, they wouldn't be called felons.





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N.O. via West-Cal
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No, the impact is very real. A felon may be able to get a gun illegally but he could still go to jail for doing so. A prosecutor may not be able to prove that the felon was going to rob the liquor store but the gun charge will stick.





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jerep
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A prosecutor may not be able to prove that the felon was going to rob the liquor store but the gun charge will stick.


In other words, if the "felon" was just driving down the street minding his own business and happened to have a gun, we'll put him in prison for simply possessing a gun even without any evidence that he has actually tried to rob a liquor store. To justify this we'll imply that we somehow knew he was intending to rob a liquor store because a "felon" is a dangerous person who we choose to let roam freely in society. If the argument is that we "knew" he was going to rob a liquor store because he was a felon then if follows that he should have been in prison. I don't beleive that, but that is the logic of this position.

So we really don't operate by rule of law, we just have a bunch of "laws" in place for prosecutors and police to pick and choose from so they can claim that they are simply enforcing the "law" while in reality they are simply exercising arbitray power in deciding who is to be put in prison, and for what reasons. Murder or rape someone and maybe go to jail for a three or four years and get out. Simply be in posession of an inanimate object and go to prison for 10 years or more. This is not justice, it is injustice. People who support an injustice because it makes them feel safer are, by definition, cowards.

This may be the way things are run now, it is not the way things were supposed to be run in this country, and it is pathetically funny to hear people (correctly) rail against politicians for ignoring rule of law and acting like tyrants and then hypocritically support the arbitrary use of power to put certain "undesireables" in prision when it makes them feel safer.


How about this, if someone robs a liquor store put them in jail. And, unless someone has actually tried to hurt another person or take their property thoough some dishonest means, then leave them alone.







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Alt26
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I saw the amendment as unnecessary and unclear, which allows for these types of rulings. It struck me as a feel good amendment in a pro-gun state to protect us from a threat that didn't exist. It will be interesting to see what the State Supreme Court does; nothing else really matters.


This.






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Womski
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This is hilarious.

I never understood why have the amendment in the first place, it did nothing but create a problem like this.

Now the state looks like a bunch of dumbasses on account of republicans trying to drum up a voter base for other positions.






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