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LSURussian
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as well as the Japanese mainland where nuclear powered submarines are deployed

Unless something has changed recently, Japan does not allow nuclear powered vessels to dock in its mainland ports.






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Projectpat
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They only have to take out Seoul.


So they have enough arms ready to take out Seoul, and that's all they would have to do to win, then I'm surprised they haven't done so yet. I thought reunification was their #1 goal?






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joshnorris14
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So they have enough arms ready to take out Seoul, and that's all they would have to do to win,


They wouldn't win. They would be destroyed. I was replying to the other poster who insisted on an American first strike, and I was only responding to him to show him why there won't be an American first strike.






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NC_Tigah
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WeeWee
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So they have enough arms ready to take out Seoul, and that's all they would have to do to win, then I'm surprised they haven't done so yet. I thought reunification was their #1 goal?


Thats not all they have to do to win. In the Korean War, the North pretty much ran the SOuth Koreans and Nato of the penisula, butwe pushed back. If they tried conventional war, expect similar results. If they use nukes, remember theirs are smaller than our WW2 a-bombs. So part of Seoul would be taken out, before our nukes take out all of NK.






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Poodlebrain
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They only have to take out Seoul.
What does taking out Seoul accomplish for them? Seoul is huge, and it does not occupy level ground. Targeting Seoul effectively with nuclear weapons would require several warheads detonated at optimum altitude at relatively precise locations with confidence in the yield of your warheads. Given the limited testing of the
North Korean warheads and missiles, it is difficult to imagine them being able to annihilate Seoul. Yes, they could do serious damage to Seoul and cause casualties beyond comprehension, but what would be the strategic advantage from doing so? They would have to expect the United States to retaliate, and the retaliation would be diproportionate in scope as the yield of the weapons the United States would use would dwarf that used by the North Koreans.






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Jimbeaux
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They wouldn't win. They would be destroyed. I was replying to the other poster who insisted on an American first strike, and I was only responding to him to show him why there won't be an American first strike.


But you failed to take into account the coolness of the lightening rocket, which would totally befuddle the North Koreans.






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VOR
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the coolness of the lightening rocket,


I get a semi-woody just thinking about it.

But, really, North Korea is a fricking joke. The only conceivable worry is if they become completely desperate and the "leadership" (if anyone really knows who that is) goes ape shite before the people revolt.






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texashorn
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I worry about North Korea (or Iran, for that matter) selling nuclear materials to a terrorist organization, which would have few qualms about detonating it in various unthinkable places...





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VOR
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I worry about North Korea (or Iran, for that matter) selling nuclear materials to a terrorist organization,


Now that's a far more realistic concern, imo.






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keakdasneak
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Those Whacky North Koreans Are Up To Something Again quote: They only have to take out Seoul. What does taking out Seoul accomplish for them? Seoul is huge, and it does not occupy level ground. Targeting Seoul effectively with nuclear weapons would require several warheads detonated at optimum altitude at relatively precise locations with confidence in the yield of your warheads. Given the limited testing of the North Korean warheads and missiles, it is difficult to imagine them being able to annihilate Seoul. Yes, they could do serious damage to Seoul and cause casualties beyond comprehension, but what would be the strategic advantage from doing so? They would have to expect the United States to retaliate, and the retaliation would be diproportionate in scope as the yield of the weapons the United States would use would dwarf that used by the North Koreans.


They can take out Seoul with conventional artillery.






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WeeWee
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Now that's a far more realistic concern, imo.



If Iran ever goes nuclear I bet they sell to terrorists and the world will regret Carter or Reagan not nuking them back in da day.






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TigerPride10
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They can take out Seoul with conventional artillery.


The Hwasong-5 and 6 could wreak havoc on Seoul, and they have hundreds of them. Hunker down just in case, because the latter is capable of reaching Busan.






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WeeWee
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The Hwasong-5 and 6 could wreak havoc on Seoul, and they have hundreds of them. Hunker down just in case, because the latter is capable of reaching Busan


How many shots do you think they would get off before we knocked them out from the air?






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TigerPride10
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How many shots do you think they would get off before we knocked them out from the air?


There is no "Iron Dome" system in South Korea, and our current missile defense systems are notoriously spotty at best.






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keakdasneak
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The Hwasong-5 and 6 could wreak havoc on Seoul, and they have hundreds of them. Hunker down just in case, because the latter is capable of reaching Busan.


Busan should be a key extraction point if us lowlife teachers are deemed worth evacuating. If that fails I live on a mountain ill go hide on for a few days. If that fails I'm cool with death.






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TigerPride10
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Busan should be a key extraction point if us lowlife teachers are deemed worth evacuating. If that fails I live on a mountain ill go hide on for a few days. If that fails I'm cool with death.


We've had a ton of people calling the embassy in the past month asking what to do or where to go in case of an emergency. Most aren't enrolled with STEP, so check it out if not.






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keakdasneak
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We've had a ton of people calling the embassy in the past month asking what to do or where to go in case of an emergency. Most aren't enrolled with STEP, so check it out if not.


Thanks. My wife and I are both enrolled.






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Poodlebrain
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They can take out Seoul with conventional artillery.
No, they can't, and they can't even come close. The Soviet Union employed about 40,000 artillery pieces in the attack on Berlin to end WWII in Europe. The Soviet Union fired millions of artillery rounds into Berlin and was only able to devastate the city. Annihilation was never even considered as a possibility. The North Koreans have about 10,000 artillery pieces, not all of which can reach Seoul, but Seoul is slightly smaller geographically than Berlin, and the defenders of Seoul are preceived to be more effective than the defenders of Berlin, especially in counter battery operations.

This is a pretty good assessment of the military balance on the Korean peninsula. LINK






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keakdasneak
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You are now just making an argument of semantics. Your post was talking about requiring nukes and I responded that they can take out Seoul with conventional artillery. Take out and devastate are the same as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure where annihilation entered the conversation. If anyone is talking annihilation they are just being dramatic.





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