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CarrolltonTiger
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Quite sadly, I would say it was premeditated.


Has anyone suggested it wasn't besides his defense team?






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DvlsAdvocat
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He wanted to plead guilty to premeditated murder, which carries a potential death penalty. The rules are surely structured to prevent someone from basically committing "suicide by court"...and ensuring that they are given a fair trial before potentially executing them.





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Zahrim
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i am not a big fan of the accused pleading guilty to lesser charges for the more extreme cases out there but that is generally a conversation between the victims, their families and the prosecuting attorney before it is ever suggested to the accused.

extreme example: movie; Law Abiding Citizen






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In the last 6 months I evaluated two guys who were facing the death penalty if found guilty. Both plead guilty to the cap murder charges. This was in the civilian courts. The evidence was overwhelming against both of them. However, I believe that the defense attorneys in these cases did this because it gives them certain options later on.





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foshizzle
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If someone is accused of doing something, and they admit to doing it, it seems reasonable to me skip all the stuff that would be required for folks who claim innocence.


Unfortunately there have been several documented examples of people pleading guilty just to end the unpleasantness of interrogation, the idea being that the lawyers will straighten it out later somehow. Yes, people actually do this.

For something like the death penalty it makes sense to investigate thoroughly and get it right.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Unfortunately there have been several documented examples of people pleading guilty just to end the unpleasantness of interrogation,


He is in a court room, not a room with a bunch of rogue cops with night sticks and nut crackers.

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For something like the death penalty it makes sense to investigate thoroughly and get it right.



Yes, proof in open court with a counsel representing the accused,







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foshizzle
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What is the UCMJ death penalty? Firing squad? I hope it is painful and slow, what ever it is for this piece of shite.


The last military execution was just over 50 years ago, in 1961. At the time the method was hanging. Occasionally the firing squad has been used but not often, normally they used the noose.

However, there are currently five on military's "death row" (all for murder) and they are scheduled for lethal injection.






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CITWTT
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Insert the word "Jew" and you would be all over him getting the death penalty in a second.





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texashorn
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He's still a Major until a court martial convicts him and strips him of his rank.

That's one of the more galling aspects of this, which is that he's still technically in the service, yet when the court tried to have him forcibly shaved (beards are against the rules), the judge was removed. Then the military brought in the woman judge, who immediately rescinded the order and let him look like a wooly booger. Disgusting... just a huge middle finger to us all, and being given aid and comfort by the touchy-feelies.






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Zamoro10
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If someone is accused of doing something, and they admit to doing it, it seems reasonable to me skip all the stuff that would be required for folks who claim innocence


Yeah, except for all those false confessions which happen.

Whether the forces are external or internal on the person...imposing the death penalty on a mere plea is sort of ridiculous. Sometimes people need the help of others and a system that affords due process so the facts judge him and not his innter-self.






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MrCarton
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It may be because Obama labeled it as workplace violence instead of an attack, much less a terrorists attack?


What is the obsession with calling this a terrorist attack, and what difference should it make in his trial?







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MrCarton
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Whether the forces are external or internal on the person...imposing the death penalty on a mere plea is sort of ridiculous. Sometimes people need the help of others and a system that affords due process so the facts judge him and not his innter-self.


I agree. It is a good rule.






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trackfan
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It may be because Obama labeled it as workplace violence instead of an attack, much less a terrorists attack?

He killed active duty soldiers, on a military base, in uniform, who had either just returned from or were getting ready to go to a war zone. By definition, it wasn't a terrorist attack since his victims weren't civilians.






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CarrolltonTiger
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He killed active duty soldiers, on a military base, in uniform, who had either just returned from or were getting ready to go to a war zone. By definition, it wasn't a terrorist attack since his victims weren't civilians.



No idea where you got that definition, but I thought there were some dependents and DOD civilians that were victims.

I'm pretty sure you have rightfully called the bombing of the King David Hotel terrorism and that had military victims.






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trackfan
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I'm pretty sure you have rightfully called the bombing of the King David Hotel terrorism and that had military victims.

But there's a world of difference between a hotel that happens to have some soldiers in it and a military base. During the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm pretty certain that our rules of engagement didn't prevent us from attacking Iraqi military bases or Al Qaeda and Taliban guerilla camps just because some civilian might be present, otherwise there wouldn't have been so many civilians killed under both the Bush and Obama administrations. Furthermore, if the rules of war were that restrictive, the Pentagon would be off limits since there are no doubt hundreds if not thousand of civilians who work there.






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CarrolltonTiger
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But there's a world of difference between a hotel that happens to have some soldiers in it and a military base


The soldiers were the target of the attack. "The hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, principally the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and the Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine and Transjordan."







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MrCarton
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He killed active duty soldiers, on a military base, in uniform, who had either just returned from or were getting ready to go to a war zone. By definition, it wasn't a terrorist attack since his victims weren't civilians.



Terrorism doesn't have to be directed at civilians, At least not as I understand it.

It is possible that this guy was a terrorist, but what I know about it doesn't lead me to believe that he had any serious connection with a terrorist power broker. Every instance of violence that aligns with an extremist ideology is not an act of terrorism IMO.

The term "terrorism" is really just a theoretical division of power structures, and describes the method used by those in a position of weakness (resources, legitimacy, manpower etc...) to garner power.

This is why I don't give a shite about labeling this dude a terrorist. As far as I am concerned HE is in trial for murder. Terrorism doesn't go on trial.






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