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OB kayakers please help solve a mystery that resulted in two deaths
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:39 pm
I have been on the gulf enough to see a lot of stuff that can't be explained easily like rouge waves on clam day, 50 knot wind from nowhere etc.
The unfortunate death of these two kayakers in Oceans Springs is bizarre.
First of all. Prayers to the Ranier family and all those that suffered a loss.
Two men, father and son both apparently drown and are found weeks apart. The son is known as an avid kayaker and strong swimmer. (This happened February 27th.) They were in two separate Kayaks. They were seen about 4 pm by a boater around the in Biloxi Bay out from OS harbor and I believe the Kayaks were found about 7 pm abandoned and adrift in Davis Bayou.
Here is where is gets weird to me. The kayaks were found with all gear, tackle and life vest and reportedly didn't have any water in them. My understanding is that this fact led the rescue team to initially believe that the father had suffered a heart attack or stoke as he had just had a cardiac event a few weeks before and was recovering and that they pulled the Kayaks up into the bayou and that the son went for help. But the autopsy showed they both drowned and both were found in the water.
It was windy that day as we were just getting over a front.
But how do two people flip out of a Kayak and not get any water into it or lose any gear? They both stood up or something? I could see it fighting a big fish or something, but I was told all the rods were found in the Kayaks. Maybe my info is wrong on this. Any one every had this happen or seen or heard of anything like this? Rouge wave or something? Manatee? But in the bay? Swamped maybe? but all the tackle still on the kayak? Any ideas?
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The unfortunate death of these two kayakers in Oceans Springs is bizarre.
First of all. Prayers to the Ranier family and all those that suffered a loss.
Two men, father and son both apparently drown and are found weeks apart. The son is known as an avid kayaker and strong swimmer. (This happened February 27th.) They were in two separate Kayaks. They were seen about 4 pm by a boater around the in Biloxi Bay out from OS harbor and I believe the Kayaks were found about 7 pm abandoned and adrift in Davis Bayou.
Here is where is gets weird to me. The kayaks were found with all gear, tackle and life vest and reportedly didn't have any water in them. My understanding is that this fact led the rescue team to initially believe that the father had suffered a heart attack or stoke as he had just had a cardiac event a few weeks before and was recovering and that they pulled the Kayaks up into the bayou and that the son went for help. But the autopsy showed they both drowned and both were found in the water.
It was windy that day as we were just getting over a front.
But how do two people flip out of a Kayak and not get any water into it or lose any gear? They both stood up or something? I could see it fighting a big fish or something, but I was told all the rods were found in the Kayaks. Maybe my info is wrong on this. Any one every had this happen or seen or heard of anything like this? Rouge wave or something? Manatee? But in the bay? Swamped maybe? but all the tackle still on the kayak? Any ideas?
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Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:41 pm to TutHillTiger
Sounds sketchy
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:42 pm to TutHillTiger
Very bizarre for sure. Doubt we'll ever know what really happened
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:42 pm to TutHillTiger
Hell. My kayak gets soaked on a normal windy day. If I flipped I would have 1. Lost stuff out the boat 2. Had water in it
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:51 pm to jimbeam
I don't mean to imply that something nefarious happened. But the kid looked like typical 20 something skinny kid. It was a high of 60 low of like 50. I remember it being very windy that Monday. I know the water is cold as ice, but it just seems like something very unexpected must have happened. They were in Biloxi Bay, not Horn Island. (I think)
I could really see them fighting a big black drum or redfish and losing their balance, but both of them? and apparently no missing rod. (I have caught and lost monster drum this time of year by he bridges) Or bringing in a big fish and a Shark or alligator gar comes up to take a bite and they flip, but again with all their gear still in the boat?
I could really see them fighting a big black drum or redfish and losing their balance, but both of them? and apparently no missing rod. (I have caught and lost monster drum this time of year by he bridges) Or bringing in a big fish and a Shark or alligator gar comes up to take a bite and they flip, but again with all their gear still in the boat?
Posted on 3/11/13 at 5:59 pm to TutHillTiger
Pretty mysterious... Prayers to the family...
Posted on 3/11/13 at 6:01 pm to TutHillTiger
I don't know the area, but is it possible they got out on an island and were fishing when a wave of some sort launched their yaks without their knowledge?
Posted on 3/11/13 at 6:01 pm to wiltznucs
Yeah prayers to the family, but my thoughts on 
's are on hold.
's are on hold.Posted on 3/11/13 at 6:02 pm to TutHillTiger
Prayers to the family.
But this is just another reason ill never own one of those things.
But this is just another reason ill never own one of those things.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 6:09 pm to JAB528
I don't know the area, but is it possible they got out on an island and were fishing when a wave of some sort launched their yaks without their knowledge?
Yes, and i think that is what the Marine Patrol thought at first, Maybe he was having chest pains etc? But how did they both drown?
Yes, and i think that is what the Marine Patrol thought at first, Maybe he was having chest pains etc? But how did they both drown?
Posted on 3/11/13 at 6:16 pm to TutHillTiger
Wear a PDF and have a whistle/flare on at all times. I won't not do something I love because of one accident
Posted on 3/11/13 at 9:56 pm to jimbeam
Yeah the gulf kills a lot of people every year.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 11:29 pm to TutHillTiger
Perhaps kayaks went adrift as said and try tried to swim to catch them and didn't realize how quickly the cold water would immobilize them.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 1:53 am to jimbeam
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Wear a PDF
Works fairly well on the internet, but I wouldn't trust my life to one.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 3:42 am to TutHillTiger
I'm an avid kayaker and happened to be in Ocean Springs, MS a day or so after the father's body was found. They had not found the son's body yet.
I was there for the Battle on the Bayou Kayak race which had over 200 kayaks/ canoes in it. Obviously there was a moment of silence for these two kayakers and much talk about the situation.
This is what i was told by one of the race volunteers...The night they went missing there was a small craft advisory. They were in 2 8-10 foot inexpensive pelican brand entry level kayaks and had only one PFD between the two of them. They headed out into the water with only an hour or two of daylight left.
If that info is correct; I can see how things went bad. The water tempature was only 60 degrees during our race so if the rough conditions flipped them in those small boats, they really had no chance. If you flip in a kayak, you immediately turn your boat over and empty the water out of it. I'm sure their gear was strapped or bungeed to the boat. If not, they probably gathered it and tossed it back in the boat. Getting back in a boat in those conditions is difficult to impossible unless you practice in those conditions. The cold water meant they only had a short window to do it before muscle cramping and fatigue set in.
As far as both being in the water; either the waves/chop got both of them or I'd guess the dad flipped and the son got in the water to try to help lift/push has dad back into his boat. It takes a lot of upper body strength to reenter so if the dad was recovering from a medical situation a few weeks earlier, he would have likely needed help. Again, just a guess.
I flipped my kayak in a race on the Mississippi river in white cap conditions during the record high water event a few years ago. I could not re-enter the boat. Eventually I got swept out of the river into a spillway called pawpaws chute up near Vicksburg. Had to grab an exposed tree root to pull myself and boat to shore. Had the water been in the sixties, with no life jacket and no land nearby, I probably wouldn't have made it. I was in the water for 35-40 minutes as it was.
Getting the water out of your boat is easy, getting back into is nearly impossible in the conditions they were in. Especially if they had never practiced in those conditions.
I just don't understand why they wouldn't both be wearing a life jacket at the point they left shore. Even if conditions are perfect, always WEAR the life jacket!
I would encourage all you kayakers to check out the YouTube videos of the various re-entry methods- paddle float, cowboy etc. And then practice. I Was practicing in a pool and failed to re-enter my boat 7-8 times in a row from the right side. Switched to left side of boat and got back in the first 3 times I tried. Better to learn that in a pool and not an open body of water. As to why left works for me; I'm not sure. All I can think of is that I'm left handed so that may have some influence or it could be that I have a pretty torn up right shoulder that is much weaker than my left shoulder. My boat is only about 20 inches wide so the cockpit is very small which makes it much harder to re-enter due to cockpit being small and boat being very tippy.
Excuse typos on iPhone
I was there for the Battle on the Bayou Kayak race which had over 200 kayaks/ canoes in it. Obviously there was a moment of silence for these two kayakers and much talk about the situation.
This is what i was told by one of the race volunteers...The night they went missing there was a small craft advisory. They were in 2 8-10 foot inexpensive pelican brand entry level kayaks and had only one PFD between the two of them. They headed out into the water with only an hour or two of daylight left.
If that info is correct; I can see how things went bad. The water tempature was only 60 degrees during our race so if the rough conditions flipped them in those small boats, they really had no chance. If you flip in a kayak, you immediately turn your boat over and empty the water out of it. I'm sure their gear was strapped or bungeed to the boat. If not, they probably gathered it and tossed it back in the boat. Getting back in a boat in those conditions is difficult to impossible unless you practice in those conditions. The cold water meant they only had a short window to do it before muscle cramping and fatigue set in.
As far as both being in the water; either the waves/chop got both of them or I'd guess the dad flipped and the son got in the water to try to help lift/push has dad back into his boat. It takes a lot of upper body strength to reenter so if the dad was recovering from a medical situation a few weeks earlier, he would have likely needed help. Again, just a guess.
I flipped my kayak in a race on the Mississippi river in white cap conditions during the record high water event a few years ago. I could not re-enter the boat. Eventually I got swept out of the river into a spillway called pawpaws chute up near Vicksburg. Had to grab an exposed tree root to pull myself and boat to shore. Had the water been in the sixties, with no life jacket and no land nearby, I probably wouldn't have made it. I was in the water for 35-40 minutes as it was.
Getting the water out of your boat is easy, getting back into is nearly impossible in the conditions they were in. Especially if they had never practiced in those conditions.
I just don't understand why they wouldn't both be wearing a life jacket at the point they left shore. Even if conditions are perfect, always WEAR the life jacket!
I would encourage all you kayakers to check out the YouTube videos of the various re-entry methods- paddle float, cowboy etc. And then practice. I Was practicing in a pool and failed to re-enter my boat 7-8 times in a row from the right side. Switched to left side of boat and got back in the first 3 times I tried. Better to learn that in a pool and not an open body of water. As to why left works for me; I'm not sure. All I can think of is that I'm left handed so that may have some influence or it could be that I have a pretty torn up right shoulder that is much weaker than my left shoulder. My boat is only about 20 inches wide so the cockpit is very small which makes it much harder to re-enter due to cockpit being small and boat being very tippy.
Excuse typos on iPhone
This post was edited on 3/12/13 at 4:48 am
Posted on 3/12/13 at 5:33 am to Jester
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Wear a PDF
Works fairly well on the internet, but I wouldn't trust my life to one.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 6:55 am to tigers win2
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tigers win2
I am not a kayaker myself, but it sounds like very good advice. Thanks
Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:25 am to delta3504
Damn. That sucks. I'm an avid kayaker. But always have my pfd on. I was in some ponds in 1-3 feet of water this weekend stalking reds and still had it on. I would never go in open water without it on and secured.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:38 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:40 am to 4X4DEMON
Got attacked by angry Pelican.
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