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Discussion: X-Men: Days of Future Past
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:48 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:48 am
Ok, I realize the other thread is supposed to be about Halle Berry but it isn't.
Given the last few days of announcements, they are taking some interesting turns. More actors from Singer's X-Men than First Class (when First Class was at least on par with X2), the DoFP storyline, the ignoring of Last Stand, etc.
Here's the thing:
Everyone from Singer's version is getting old. Everyone from Vaughn's version is blowing up (You won't get a Fassbender/Lawrence movie next time unless you fork up 30+million alone for the two of them). You can't have stability of the universe a-la Avengers either.
Prediction: I made this one after the announcement of DoFP storyline: They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh.
Thoughts?
Given the last few days of announcements, they are taking some interesting turns. More actors from Singer's X-Men than First Class (when First Class was at least on par with X2), the DoFP storyline, the ignoring of Last Stand, etc.
Here's the thing:
Everyone from Singer's version is getting old. Everyone from Vaughn's version is blowing up (You won't get a Fassbender/Lawrence movie next time unless you fork up 30+million alone for the two of them). You can't have stability of the universe a-la Avengers either.
Prediction: I made this one after the announcement of DoFP storyline: They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:53 am to Freauxzen
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They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh.
Wouldn't they just have the same issues with cast members blowing like they're having with Lawrence/Fassbender now?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:54 am to Freauxzen
I think they're blowing an amazing opportunity to leave the old cast behind for good and move forward without them.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:54 am to Freauxzen
I would think that is the exact plan. But like you said, what are the odds of getting Lawrence and Fassbender on screen again? How far could they go with this next generation of actors?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:55 am to Freauxzen
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the ignoring of Last Stand
Singer's not ignoring it but basically admitted it was a turd and will use the time travel aspect of this one to "fix" some things from Last Stand.
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Prediction: I made this one after the announcement of DoFP storyline: They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh
Not a bad idea and you have a good point about Lawrence/Fassbender. I definitely think they'll be killing off most of the old cast and your reboot idea also provides the opportunity to recast Wolverine. It's known that The Wolverine and DoFP wraps up Jackmans contract for the character and I'm sure Fox will want to move on to a new actor.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:59 am to Freauxzen
X-Men First Class was the perfect opportunity to reboot the franchise, and I'm not really liking what I'm hearing. I like that Peter Dinklege has joined, but aside from the actors returning from First Class, I'm not liking what I'm hearing.
I hope you're right about this.
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Prediction: I made this one after the announcement of DoFP storyline: They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh.
I hope you're right about this.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:59 am to TotesMcGotes
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I think they're blowing an amazing opportunity to leave the old cast behind for good and move forward without them.
The issue was, they sort of kind of put FC in the same universe and didn't use ANY of the characters, save for beast. Therefore, in that universe, they never had a chance to recast Cyclops or Wolverine, etc. Plus they fumbled with the timeline significantly.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:00 am to OMLandshark
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X-Men First Class was the perfect opportunity to reboot the franchise,
See above, as much as I love the movie, by tying it to the old universe, they closed off any hope of using ANY of those characters, It wasn't a reboot, hence the problem.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:02 am to Freauxzen
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The issue was, they sort of kind of put FC in the same universe and didn't use ANY of the characters, save for beast. Therefore, in that universe, they never had a chance to recast Cyclops or Wolverine, etc. Plus they fumbled with the timeline significantly.
Wolverine was merely a cameo. If I were doing the sequel, I would have it focused on Mister Sinister and having him abduct a young Cyclops and Jean Grey, to where the X-Men and the Brotherhood would work together to try and get them back.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:03 am to Freauxzen
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The issue was, they sort of kind of put FC in the same universe and didn't use ANY of the characters, save for beast. Therefore, in that universe, they never had a chance to recast Cyclops or Wolverine, etc. Plus they fumbled with the timeline significantly.
That's why I think it was set up so well to completely depart from the old series. They could have reintroduced the previously used characters whenever the story called for it and made this set of movies a completely unique universe for those characters.
They did some things so well in FC, that rejoining it with the old universe just feels like a step back.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:03 am to ProjectP2294
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Wouldn't they just have the same issues with cast members blowing like they're having with Lawrence/Fassbender now?
There's a difference between a mid-level star who you can rely on (Mardsen, Sooki, Janssen) and someone blowing up.
Jackman was unique in that, he was still small time AFTER he nailed Wolverine, so they signed him to a long term deal.
At the time, the biggest stars of the first film were Stewart and McKellan (and to a lesser extent Berry), that doesn't say much. They were always going to age out of the roles after a few years.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:03 am to OMLandshark
I think one thing we can all agree on is the X-Men franchise on film has been utterly botched from the start.
So many great characters and origin stories.
So many great characters and origin stories.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:06 am to Freauxzen
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Prediction: I made this one after the announcement of DoFP storyline: They are going to use this movie to reboot the entire universe in glorious fashion, allowing them to recast everything, under a new storyline (maybe with Singer at the helm, maybe not) and start fresh.
I think you are partially right here, but their will be mainstays and I think that includes Jackman,McAvoy and Fassenbender(maybe not Lawrence). The rest will be rebooted (Storm!Cyclops!). I can see them going to the MDay storyline.
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You can't have stability of the universe a-la Avengers either
I disagree with you here. Not only can you do several factions of X-teams, but they can have their own Marvel universe by including the Fantastic Four,(with Vaughn overseeing that). With the rights to the Kree and Sh'iar owned by Fox(I think) they can do their own cosmic phase.
At least that's what I do.
I'm halfway waiting for Reynolds to be announced in this film.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:07 am to OMLandshark
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Wolverine was merely a cameo.
Doesn't matter. Until a new movie, Jackman IS Wolverine. He's defined the popular depiction of the character, hard to get away from that. It was enough of a callback to the universe to matter. AND it took place in the 60's, clearly they were trying to be primary to Singer's verse. I thought it was a brilliant move to do that really, and wish Vaughn had continued.
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If I were doing the sequel, I would have it focused on Mister Sinister and having him abduct a young Cyclops and Jean Grey, to where the X-Men and the Brotherhood would work together to try and get them back.
Agreed. But I really think they need to go back to the drawing board with the whole thing.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:09 am to RonBurgundy
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I'm halfway waiting for Reynolds to be announced in this film.
If he gets to play Deadpool, and I mean a real Deadpool, I'll buy my tickets today.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:13 am to LoveThatMoney
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If he gets to play Deadpool, and I mean a real Deadpool, I'll buy my tickets today.
He needs his own movie. It needs to be written by comedy writers and directed by a good action director. shite, Brian Posehn is writing the comic book right now, if that doesn't tell you what point of view it should have, nothing will.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:16 am to RonBurgundy
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I think you are partially right here, but their will be mainstays and I think that includes Jackman,McAvoy and Fassenbender(maybe not Lawrence). The rest will be rebooted (Storm!Cyclops!). I can see them going to the MDay storyline.
I could get behind all of that.
I'm torn between MDay and AoA.
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I disagree with you here. Not only can you do several factions of X-teams, but they can have their own Marvel universe by including the Fantastic Four,(with Vaughn overseeing that). With the rights to the Kree and Sh'iar owned by Fox(I think) they can do their own cosmic phase.
At least that's what I do.
I'm halfway waiting for Reynolds to be announced in this film.
Oh no, I meant in it's current form it's not stable. Too many disconnected directors and ideals.
I think, over time, the X-Arcs could be as good or better than the Avengers arcs.
AoA could be brilliant. The REAL Dark Phoenix Saga on Film? X-ecutioner's Song? Any Sinister storyline? Messiah Complex?
Or we could always build the two together into a 3-part Civil War storyline of Avengers and X-Men. Just awesome.
I've said it before, and others have agreed, we HAVE to get to a point where we accept James Bond-like Comic book films that let people filter in and out of roles without a care from the fans. This is really important to continued storyline success. Otherwise, we'll continue to get "rebooted origin type stories of actual great stories" over and over and over again.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:18 am to ProjectP2294
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He needs his own movie. It needs to be written by comedy writers and directed by a good action director. shite, Brian Posehn is writing the comic book right now, if that doesn't tell you what point of view it should have, nothing will
Could not agree more and they keep teasing us with faint rumors. Just get it the frick done. Maybe Guillermo del Toro or Guy Ritchie to direct since they seem to be able to blend comedy with action well and have Posehn and some other comic nerd like Kevin Smith co-write the screenplay.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:19 am to Freauxzen
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AoA could be brilliant.
I'm still pissed that they cancelled Wolverine and the X-Men before the second season, which would have done this storyline.
AoA was going on when I first got into comic books. I still have the X-Factor and X-Force books I had subscriptions to back then.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:23 am to Freauxzen
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Oh no, I meant in it's current form it's not stable. Too many disconnected directors and ideals.
I think, over time, the X-Arcs could be as good or better than the Avengers arcs.
AoA could be brilliant. The REAL Dark Phoenix Saga on Film? X-ecutioner's Song? Any Sinister storyline? Messiah Complex?
Or we could always build the two together into a 3-part Civil War storyline of Avengers and X-Men. Just awesome.
Well it looks like Vaughn and Singer are Fox's go to guys.
The X-franchise could do two things to help it, start dividing up the X-teams into separate franchises that tie together and have solo or duo movies for the A-list characters(and actors). The more characterization the better.
Also, like I said if Fox is going to do Marvel movies, start combining your properties already.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 10:24 am
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