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The natural right of all people is self defense. The right to use a gun in self defense is not a right endowed by a creator.

I'm all for protecting the second amendment, but owning a gun is not a "natural right"






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The natural right of all people is self defense.


The only "natural right" is death. It's the only thing guaranteed to happen to you. Everything else you have/do was earned by you or given to you by someone who earned it.






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The only "natural right" is death. It's the only thing guaranteed to happen to you. Everything else you have/do was earned by you or given to you by someone who earned it.



I hear a faint boom here.






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The natural right of all people is self defense.
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The only "natural right" is death. It's the only thing guaranteed to happen to you. Everything else you have/do was earned by you or given to you by someone who earned it.
Not really true. Instead of self defense let's say you have a right to self preservation.






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Not really true. Instead of self defense let's say you have a right to self preservation.



What does self preservation mean? Is the quality of preservation important? What are the qualities of preservation that you take as a right?

I am siding with perch here.






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You do not have a "right" to self preservation. People get killed every day. What happened to their "right?" if you preserve yourself it's because you or someone else earned it.





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The only "natural right" is death. It's the only thing guaranteed to happen to you. Everything else you have/do was earned by you or given to you by someone who earned it.



When I use natural right, I am referring to rights that are provided by natural law. Rights that are so inherent to society that everybody understands them to be true.






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You do not have a "right" to self preservation. People get killed every day. What happened to their "right?" if you preserve yourself it's because you or someone else earned it.



You have a right to defend yourself. Whether or not you are successful is not of importance here. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, it's just a matter of by what means.






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I think what he is really saying is , hey you communist imposing bastards , do away with guns in ALL YOUR BIG cities like New York has basically done,and leave everyone else the hell alone.





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Rex
He's what black people were like when they trusted people like Booker T. Washingotn and Frederick Douglass, and not people like W.E.B Du Bois.






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While I dissagree with him on this subject, I would still vote for him (as of right now) over the current pres.


What is the fascination with people talking about voting for this guy for president? It's mind boggling to me that this guy makes a speech challenging Obama and now everyone wants talks about wanting to vote for him for president. Slow down folks. His position on gun control alone shows you've all jumped the gun. This suggestion of his is as terrible as many of those coming from our leftist friends.






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What is the fascination with people talking about voting for this guy for president? It's mind boggling to me that this guy makes a speech challenging Obama and now everyone wants talks about wanting to vote for him for president. Slow down folks. His position on gun control alone shows you've all jumped the gun. This suggestion of his is as terrible as many of those coming from our leftist friends.
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So you assume we dont know about doctor Ben Carson and his history ,just because maybe you dont ?

Watch the movie " Gifted hands " with Cuba Gooding its on Netflix as we speak.

This guy figured out the ONLY WAY to separate twins conjoined at the heads, you had to stop their hearts for an hour in order for them not to bleed to death.

He is a world renown brain surgeon.

He had no dad growing up.

His mom made them turn the TV off and read books at an early age because of bad grades.

This guy is way smarter than a jack leg who never did nothing but smoke pot and Cigs was a boozer who never went to class.

GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.


He stated the reason Politicians never get anything done is 90 percent of them are lawyers and they have a win at all cost mentality.





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So you assume we dont know about doctor Ben Carson and his history ,just because maybe you dont ?


He was mentioned in politics and as a presidential candidate when before this speech? Don't give me that shite.

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This guy is way smarter than a jack leg who never did nothing but smoke pot and Cigs was a boozer who never went to class.

GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK.



Are you mentally insane or just emotionally erratic? You are ranting about nonsense. If you think I am some advocate for Barack Obama then you are mistaken. Try to temper your knee jerk emotional reactions.

What a wonderful gun control argument he makes. I'm sure glad people knew all about his political philosophy before proclaiming that he should run for president.

I don't dislike the guy, which is what makes your post all the more puzzling to me. I am perplexed at how often people jump to anoint someone the new political "thing" prematurely.






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So, given carsons stance on gun control, would you vote for him?


I wouldn't vote for anyone based solely on one position even if I agreed with their position. I vote for the candidate who, of those available, I think has a coherent political philosophy closest to what I think is correct. I also have to consider what evidence there is that the person will adhere to that philosophy if they are elected.

But, given that his position on gun control, and some points of his recent statment on government interference the way people choose to obtain medical service, I don't think he has any thought out political philosophy and so It is very unlikely I would vote for him.

This doesn't mean I don't think he has some good things to say, but having some good things to say isn't nearly enough to earn my vote for someone for any office.






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jerep
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re: Dr. Ben Carson's take on gun control...


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The natural right of all people is self defense. The right to use a gun in self defense is not a right endowed by a creator.

I'm all for protecting the second amendment, but owning a gun is not a "natural right"



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The right to own a gun is a consequence of the right to self-defense ...


(corrected my poor spelling)

If a person were in a state of nature then there is no question that they would have the right to own a gun. Wether or not they could obtain a gun as a practical matter is a different question. A gun is just an object and people have a right to posess objects.

As for using a gun for self defense, or defense of others, there is no restriction on what is used to exercise the right of self defense. The only restriction on the proper exercise of that right is that it not infringe on the rights of others. There are certain circumstances in which use of a firearm against another person would be a legitimate exercise of the right of self defense. In those cases its use is encompassed within the right of self defense.







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jerep
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You do not have a "right" to self preservation. People get killed every day. What happened to their "right?" if you preserve yourself it's because you or someone else earned it.



You do have a right to your life. You did not earn it, nor did another person earn it and give it to you. If an innocent person is killed by another person that doesn't mean anything happened to their right, it just means that someone infringed on their right to live. Just because you have a right doesn't mean you are capable of exercising it. Rights have nothing to do with earning or being given by another person, and you have them whether or not you are in a position to exercise them.

This is all explained in considerable detail in Locke's second treatse on government -- something all educated people at the time of the founding of our country would have been familar with. The declaration of rights in the Declaration of Independance is a summary of the permises layed out by Locke without the need to be careful about criticizing the monarchy.






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I say I don't understand the fascination with Ben Carson.

He's this year's Herman Cain.






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jerep
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What is the fascination with people talking about voting for this guy for president? It's mind boggling to me that this guy makes a speech challenging Obama and now everyone wants talks about wanting to vote for him for president. Slow down folks. His position on gun control alone shows you've all jumped the gun. This suggestion of his is as terrible as many of those coming from our leftist friends.



This.

This is how we ended up electing a "conservative" who expanded the government even faster than his predecessor Bill Clinton, who supported extension of the expiring assault weapons ban, who created a new cabinet level department which is now buying billions of rounds of ammunition for use against Americans, who created the TSA which as a matter of course does things for which our founders would have beaten an official senseless for even trying on one of their family members, who expanded the department of education while claiming to be the heir to a Republican president who said he wanted to end the dept. (which was created by Carter), who pushed through a prescription drug "benefit" which was the largest entitlement created since LBJ, who pushed through TARP laying the blueprint for Obama's attempts at central control of the economy, etc.






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