re: Cap update: ~$2m over, Will Smith update: still fat

he's played in 50 more games than Will Smith, yet only has 7.5 more sacks.

if he's going unnoticed, not sure what the deal is with Will Smith.


the scheme change obviously did Justin SMith good.

What am I answering?

My biggest problem with will is his inconsistency throughout his career.

Never has he got 7 or 8 sacks since one 13 sack season, u defending his consistency now?

And you are comparing his 4-3 years to Justin's 3-4 years now

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Nfl just changed the cap to 123 mill. so we should be under the cap now right?

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haha hell yeaH

my point is Will Smith may benefit from the scheme change too.


not saying he is as good as Justin. I am saying Justin was only slightly above average in a 4-3. SAme as will smith

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My biggest problem is that many people apparently think he just isn't big enough. I know you aren't saying that. That is complete crap in my opinion. He is probably the same size as the average 3-4 DE.

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totally agree. But he has gotten worse rushing the passer. He got stonewalled all the time by tackles last year. Against the Panthers, he was awful. I'm talking about that QB load option they ran too. He was flat out worthless defending that but hey, so was everyone else on the D.

I thought he played pretty well against Atlanta and Tampa Bay, at least against the run anyway.

In the 3-4 though you won't see him have to rush the passer as much though and I think that is what people are missing the boat on here.

But.. I'm hoping someone can beat him out for that job. If he even comes back of course....

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why not just out right cut him instead of asking him to restructure??

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This is the part people over overlooking.

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And you are comparing his 4-3 years to Justin's 3-4 years now

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What are you talking about? Look at your list again. He was getting 5, 6, 7, 2 sacks with the Bengals. What Lester is saying is you guys said Justin Smith has always been consistent, but Will Smith has pretty much put up the same numbers, even when Justin was with Bengals, and Will has even had 2 bigger sack seasons than Justin ever had. Your own argument and putting up Justin Smith's sack totals actually works against your argument.

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u defending his consistency now?

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It's not about defending just Will Smith's consistency. It's about defending his consistency against that of Justin Smith's. It seems your only argument is to keep changing the context of what Lester is saying. An example of that is the first quote in this post.

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I don't want this either. I think Smith would be a good backup, but I'm not even sure Vilma is good enough to be that.

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I want to see if akiem hicks can produce if he gets more reps, I personally think he can be a great 3-4DE. I don't want will smith taking up too many reps because of seniority

As for vilma, he was traded because he was not going to be a great 3-4 LB and since jets went that way, they said bye. I still think the only issue we have right now is who will be our two OLB, I think with hawthorne and lofton sharing ILB duties. Since they're both natural at MLB, it gives them both the chance to make some big plays for us.

I have this theory that sean payton knew he wanted 3-4 this season so he told them before he got susppended he wanted akiem hicks and corey white for this reason.

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I repeated this point over and over and over to monroesaintsfan and the guy never understood lol

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From me the other night which is what you're referring to above:

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He's due roughly 5.5 million in guaranteed money this year and roughly 3.5 million next. If he were to sign for the minimum (and forget that, he can get more than the minimum) and you pro-rated his existing bonus (and I don't think it can be pro-rated unless he's cut, could be wrong) it would still come up to roughly 5.5 million. He can be cut now with the bonus to be pro-rated over two years for a 4.5 million hit this year and next.

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From a Mike Triplett article in the Picayune on Feb. 26: LINK

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If the Saints release Smith, his cap number will drop from $14.5 million to $4.4 million, with another $2.4 million still on the books next year.

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Triplett's numbers actually look better than what I came up with. I could be wrong but I'm believing he probably studies this stuff as much or more than anybody on this message board.

There is a certain amount of guaranteed money that is due Smith no matter what happens....unless you maybe think he's gonna give some of it back. There is also a certain amount of dead money to be factored in whether he goes or stays. Now maybe you're thinking a slow, fat 32 year old DE needs to be restructured and years added to his contract to spread the money out....if so, say it.

Look Pal, posting and reposting the same thing over and over doesn't mean anything.
Try forming an argument if you actually have one or just move on.