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Ray Lewis co-defendant says Atlanta killings were in self defense
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:36 pm
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"I can tell it like this, not that I owe (Lewis) any type of protection," Oakley said this week. "What happened, it wasn't our fault what happened. It happened, but we didn't instigate none of what happened. We had a great time and were on our way to the limousine to go back to our hotel, and those guys came out, for whatever reason. I think it was to rob (Lewis) because it was a dark alley and they were standing at the alley. I think it was just an opportunity for them to do whatever they had in mind."
Oakley, who did not testify at trial, won't say who did what but will say he believes Lewis was targeted "because of the way he was dressed" and that it all started when Lewis had a confrontation with the victims, possibly after one of them called Lewis a name.
"They exchanged words then, and it just went from there," Oakley said.
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Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:38 pm to Bench McElroy
Exactly. Why would Lewis provoke anything?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:45 pm to Bench McElroy
Here we go again
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:47 pm to Bench McElroy
A Witness to Self Defense hopefully these threads stop now
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:52 pm to Bench McElroy
Thug POS
Posted on 1/25/13 at 11:13 pm to Bench McElroy
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and that it all started when Lewis had a confrontation with the victims, possibly after one of them called Lewis a name.
Role model
Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:15 am to T
He is such a wanna cornball bitch
Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:51 am to Bench McElroy
Always easy to claim self defense, when the other person is dead.
See: Trayvon story.
No one outside the people there will really know.
See: Trayvon story.
No one outside the people there will really know.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:03 am to East Coast Band
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Always easy to claim self defense, when the other person is dead.
See: Trayvon story.
Did you see how fricked up Zimmerman was? That was self-defense.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 2:50 am to lsu480
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Did you see how fricked up Zimmerman was? That was self-defense.
And that's why in a confrontation with no witnesses, it's better for the other guy to be dead—so he can't defend himself. The undisputed facts are that (1) Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin despite being advised against it by the police dispatcher over the phone, and (2) Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. Oh also (3) Martin had purchased some items at a store and was walking back to the house where he was staying, so he was definitely not looking for trouble. Not yet established as fact (AFAIK) is the phone conversation he had with his girlfriend telling her he was being followed by some dude and expressing fear.
So the fact is, Trayvon Martin, who had a good reason to be where he was, was accosted by a guy with a gun. Are you saying Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to defend himself? As far as he was concerned he was in a fight for his life, and he lost.
The key here is that a guy with a gun created a confrontation with an unarmed man, and shot him. There is no way in hell that is self defense.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 4:14 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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And that's why in a confrontation with no witnesses, it's better for the other guy to be dead—so he can't defend himself. The undisputed facts are that (1) Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin despite being advised against it by the police dispatcher over the phone, and (2) Zimmerman was armed and Martin was not. Oh also (3) Martin had purchased some items at a store and was walking back to the house where he was staying, so he was definitely not looking for trouble. Not yet established as fact (AFAIK) is the phone conversation he had with his girlfriend telling her he was being followed by some dude and expressing fear.
So the fact is, Trayvon Martin, who had a good reason to be where he was, was accosted by a guy with a gun. Are you saying Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to defend himself? As far as he was concerned he was in a fight for his life, and he lost.
The key here is that a guy with a gun created a confrontation with an unarmed man, and shot him. There is no way in hell that is self defense.
:kige:
Posted on 1/26/13 at 6:03 am to lsu480
It's not self defense when you initiate the confrontation.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 6:21 am to Sophandros
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It's not self defense when you initiate the confrontation.
WUT? So If you walked up to someone and initiate a conversation,let's just say defending one of your friends, and the guy pulls a knife or gun, you defend yourself and something happens to other guy, what would that be called?
Posted on 1/26/13 at 6:33 am to TigerBait2008
I stand by my statement.
You're trying to twist it into something else.
If you initiate the confrontation (start the fight, in other words) then you can't claim self defense.
Conversation and confrontation are two distinctly different things.
You're trying to twist it into something else.
If you initiate the confrontation (start the fight, in other words) then you can't claim self defense.
Conversation and confrontation are two distinctly different things.
This post was edited on 1/26/13 at 6:34 am
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:17 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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So the fact is, Trayvon Martin, who had a good reason to be where he was, was accosted by a guy with a gun. Are you saying Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to defend himself? As far as he was concerned he was in a fight for his life, and he lost. The key here is that a guy with a gun created a confrontation with an unarmed man, and shot him. There is no way in hell that is self defense.
That's what a lot of people are missing. Trayvon may very well have been standing his ground. (If you want to take the racial stereotype angle, would you feel threatened if you were being watched and followed by an armed Mexican?)
Now, I wouldn't take my fists to a gunfight, but I'm a little older and wiser than Trayvon. I also don't have to worry about losing street cred if I run away from that situation.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:29 am to lsu480
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Did you see how fricked up Zimmerman was? That was self-defense.
When you follow someone in your car and then get out of that car to pick a fight with him, that's not self-defense, that murder. If someone starts a fist-fight, they don't have a right to pull out a gun just because they're getting their arse kicked.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:31 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Now, I wouldn't take my fists to a gunfight, but I'm a little older and wiser than Trayvon. I also don't have to worry about losing street cred if I run away from that situation.
But Zimmerman was following Martin, not the other way around, and Zimmerman was the one who made the decision to get out of his car and pick a fight with Martin.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:33 am to Sophandros
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It's not self defense when you initiate the confrontation.
Yup.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:39 am to trackfan
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But Zimmerman was following Martin, not the other way around, and Zimmerman was the one who made the decision to get out of his car and pick a fight with Martin.
True. Just saying the wise decision would have been to run.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:12 am to Bestbank Tiger
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That's what a lot of people are missing. Trayvon may very well have been standing his ground. (If you want to take the racial stereotype angle, would you feel threatened if you were being watched and followed by an armed Mexican?)
People forget Trayvon was from Miami. A lot of Rican and Cuban gangs in Florida. If some Rican or Cuban looking guy followed me around in a vehicle and then gets out and follow me on foot I'd be thinking he was trying to rob me or something.
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