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re: thoughts on a PE attending Law School..
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:17 am to theOG
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:17 am to theOG
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i'd say your undergrad degree is almost entirely irrelevant for law school.
But entirely relevant if you want to practice patent law. You are required to have a BS and an engineering degree is a big plus.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:18 am to txtiger21
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But entirely relevant if you want to practice patent law. You are required to have a BS and an engineering degree is a big plus.
you're absolutely correct.
i was responding to someone who was speaking in generalities saying that having an english or engineering degree would be best.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:59 am to theOG
are you guys practicing law currently? Can you tell me about any recent scenarios where a PE would have contributed to a case? my training is in hydraulics and hydrology. I do a lot of floodplain mapping and have done a lot of research on groundwater movement.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:06 am to aldawg2323
i currently practice, but not in an area of law where a PE would contribute.
like i said earlier, i'm giving strong consideration do doing the opposite of what you're doing; leaving the practice of law to go get an engineering degree.
like i said earlier, i'm giving strong consideration do doing the opposite of what you're doing; leaving the practice of law to go get an engineering degree.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:13 am to theOG
Petroleum, yes? are you in oklahoma? is the drilling market hot in Ok yet? My company is trying to expand our floodplain permitting into Ok (Anardarko is big there I believe and we have done some work for Chesapeake), but we can barely handle our workload in the Eagleford.
Have you also considered geology? I may consider that ahead of engineering. you may have less schooling to catch up on. I made it through engineering, but I would probably go for a post-bachelors geology degree were I to do it again.
Have you also considered geology? I may consider that ahead of engineering. you may have less schooling to catch up on. I made it through engineering, but I would probably go for a post-bachelors geology degree were I to do it again.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:27 am to aldawg2323
yeah, petroleum. i'm actually in new orleans now.
the whole idea is really in its infancy, so i'm open to all sorts of ideas. i'll admit though, that i'm probably being a bit of a prestige whore by wanting an engineering degree over a geology degree.
the whole idea is really in its infancy, so i'm open to all sorts of ideas. i'll admit though, that i'm probably being a bit of a prestige whore by wanting an engineering degree over a geology degree.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:30 am to theOG
what law cases do you work on now?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:31 am to aldawg2323
i'm at a small firm that focuses on consumer work (bankruptcy, collection defense, etc.), but we will take pretty much anything that comes though the door as long as its not family law or criminal defense.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:48 am to aldawg2323
Don't do it unless you can go to a Top 15 school or go to one for free.
Otherwise it is not worth it. You have a worthwhile degree and career ahead of you and I guarantee you its not worth giving up except in one of those two scenarios.
You really can't know where you can go until you have taken the LSAT. That determines everything. I would not reccomend going to either a TT or TTT even for free.
Otherwise it is not worth it. You have a worthwhile degree and career ahead of you and I guarantee you its not worth giving up except in one of those two scenarios.
You really can't know where you can go until you have taken the LSAT. That determines everything. I would not reccomend going to either a TT or TTT even for free.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:59 am to schlow mo
agree with everything you said, even more so if OP wants to do IP work.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:26 am to aldawg2323
My undergraduate degree was in Mechanical Engineering and I graduated from law school in May '11.
A few things to consider are that its very difficult to get into Patent/IP in Louisiana. There's not a big market for it and the only firms that do it are the big firms (with the exception of a few boutique firms) where you have to be top of your class to get in. So you really have to be willing to move or dedicate yourself to being top 10-25% of the class and probably both. On top of that you have to take the Patent Bar which is very difficult. With that in mind I'd say its not a very good idea to run consulting work at the same time. If you did I would definitely schedule yourself at least a month before finals to dedicate to the exams. The first semester is the most important because the big firms start hiring clerks from those grades.
As far as other areas of law, your background will be helpful but not incredibly necessary unless you get in a very nuanced field. I work at a personal injury firm and the biggest benefit it provides is in the few products liability cases that we get. Other than that, everything is kind of a tangential advantage, like the critical thinking and analyzing skills that you've learned.
All in all I'd say that if its what you want to do, go for it and everything will fall into place. I had the same feelings about not wanting to be an engineer my entire life and I couldn't be happier with my career decision. I'm probably making less than I would be (for now) but its completely worth it.
A few things to consider are that its very difficult to get into Patent/IP in Louisiana. There's not a big market for it and the only firms that do it are the big firms (with the exception of a few boutique firms) where you have to be top of your class to get in. So you really have to be willing to move or dedicate yourself to being top 10-25% of the class and probably both. On top of that you have to take the Patent Bar which is very difficult. With that in mind I'd say its not a very good idea to run consulting work at the same time. If you did I would definitely schedule yourself at least a month before finals to dedicate to the exams. The first semester is the most important because the big firms start hiring clerks from those grades.
As far as other areas of law, your background will be helpful but not incredibly necessary unless you get in a very nuanced field. I work at a personal injury firm and the biggest benefit it provides is in the few products liability cases that we get. Other than that, everything is kind of a tangential advantage, like the critical thinking and analyzing skills that you've learned.
All in all I'd say that if its what you want to do, go for it and everything will fall into place. I had the same feelings about not wanting to be an engineer my entire life and I couldn't be happier with my career decision. I'm probably making less than I would be (for now) but its completely worth it.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:27 am to schlow mo
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I would not reccomend going to either a TT or TTT even for free.
You were on a roll until you said that. Pretty turrble advice. Do you also troll TLS.com?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:29 am to TheOcean
Let me rephrase the way it was said.
I don't think places like LSU, Ole Miss, FSU and the other large state schools are TT or TTT. I am referring almost exclusively to small regional private schools that cost a mountain of cash and have very dim career prospects (sadly most law schools have dim prospects, but those especially).
I don't think places like LSU, Ole Miss, FSU and the other large state schools are TT or TTT. I am referring almost exclusively to small regional private schools that cost a mountain of cash and have very dim career prospects (sadly most law schools have dim prospects, but those especially).
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:32 am to schlow mo
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I don't think places like LSU, Ole Miss, FSU and the other large state schools are TT or TTT. I am referring almost exclusively to small regional private schools that cost a mountain of cash and have very dim career prospects (sadly most law schools have dim prospects, but those especially).
again, i'm with you. i can't see it being a wise decision to go anywhere outside the top 100 schools.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:32 am to schlow mo
Free is free. Some regional schools have great reputations.
Bottom line is that if you bust your arse (minus all the other variables), finish in the top 30%, and network, you'll more than likely find a job.
Now, if he's interesting in big law, then it's T1 or bust.
Bottom line is that if you bust your arse (minus all the other variables), finish in the top 30%, and network, you'll more than likely find a job.
Now, if he's interesting in big law, then it's T1 or bust.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:33 am to TheOcean
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Now, if he's interesting in big law, then it's T-14 or bust.
fify
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:43 am to lapistola
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lapistola
solid advice.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:44 am to aldawg2323
Best advice would be break down your future goals, finances, and take a few LSATs. Figure out a field you want to jump in and talk to a few practicing lawyers in the field.
If the goals are too high, the debt is too much, or the LSAT is too low, I'd stick with your degree.
If the goals are too high, the debt is too much, or the LSAT is too low, I'd stick with your degree.
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