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Larry Legend= Most Overrated Shooter Ever?
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:30 am
Chris Palmer seems to think so
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@ESPNChrisPalmer All-time 3-point List: No. 137 Larry Bird; No. 9 Rashard Lewis
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@ESPNChrisPalmer Different generations, sure. But zero case for Bird as a Top 50 shooter all-time.
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?@ESPNChrisPalmer I'm not OK that journeyman Damon Jones has 300 more career 3s than Bird. But that's an actual thing.
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Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:33 am to corndeaux
Bird was a great shooter. Seems like Palmer is focusing on 3s to make his argument. Because there were better big men in the 80s, I think the NBA was more of a mid range game then. It has turned into a lazy one-on-one and 3 pt shooting league now.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:33 am to corndeaux
Didn't realize that. Those guys wish they had a stache like Larry Legend though.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:35 am to corndeaux
Anybody that has anything negative to say about Larry bird concerning playing basketball needs to be shot in the face.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:43 am to ehidal1
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Because there were better big men in the 80s, I think the NBA was more of a mid range game then
Yep.
3pt line was introduced his rookie year. Bird was attempting less than 100 a season to start his career. How many guys were even practicing a 23 foot shot until the 80s?
Total 3s made is just an ignorant way to compare players.
Palmer gets paid to be dumb and troll people. What a life
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:43 am to corndeaux
racist
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:43 am to corndeaux
Sean Elliott IMO was the most underrated shooter of all time.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:49 am to corndeaux
Who is Chris Palmer?
And you can be a great shooter without scoring a ton of threes.
And you can be a great shooter without scoring a ton of threes.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:51 am to ehidal1
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I think the NBA was more of a mid range game then. It has turned into a lazy one-on-one and 3 pt shooting league now.
a. the league is dominated by the pick and roll, which is not "1 on 1"
b. 3s are valuable and good strategy. they're worth 50% more than 2s. why would you want to take long jumpers for 2 when you hit 3s at a slightly lesser rate but get 50% more points? it makes no sense. the long jumper is the worst shot in basketball
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:54 am to corndeaux
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3pt line was introduced his rookie year. Bird was attempting less than 100 a season to start his career. How many guys were even practicing a 23 foot shot until the 80s?
Total 3s made is just an ignorant way to compare players.
yeah using 3s is idiotic. a zonal breakdown would be much better
my earlier post was just in response to ignorance about today's NBA
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
The mid-range jump shot was phased out for good reason, it's an inefficient shot. Like you said, a 3 is worth one more point, if you're going to run a play to get a guy a jump shot, do it for a 3. Also helps spacing more than a mid-range.
hijack: I think you started a thread last year or two years ago where people ranked like the top 20 players under 25, anyway you can find it?
hijack: I think you started a thread last year or two years ago where people ranked like the top 20 players under 25, anyway you can find it?
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:58 am to ehidal1
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It has turned into a lazy one-on-one and 3 pt shooting league now.
Canned response by people who don't actually watch the NBA.
Btw, to state the obvious, Palmer probably is only making this argument because Larry is white.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah using 3s is idiotic. a zonal breakdown would be much better
i wonder how many teams were even drawing plays up to get a 3pt shot throughout the 80s.
craig hodges on the first title run bulls is the first guy i can remember being a 3pt specialist.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah using 3s is idiotic. a zonal breakdown would be much better
my earlier post was just in response to ignorance about today's NBA
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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my earlier post was just in response to ignorance about today's NBA
Pick and roll is not one on one, correct. I am a NBA fan and I know the difference. It was more of a similar jab at Palmer and his cherry picking and generalization for his argument.
And correct, 3's are worth 50% more than 2's SFP. Thanks for the math lesson. However, shooting a 12-16 ft jumper is a helluva lot different than shooting a 23+ ft shot. Now 3 point shooting is a huge part of the game, so of course it's practiced more than shooting 18 footers.
And we agree, I am just pushing pack on your typical holier than thou NBA knowledge posts.
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:24 am to corndeaux
I didn't realize Larry Bird was only known for his 3 point prowess. I didn't know he was "a shooter".
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:41 am to floridatigah
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The mid-range jump shot was phased out for good reason, it's an inefficient shot.
All the recent title teams have had stars who were excellent mid range shooters.
Wade and Bosh
Dirk
Kobe and Pau
Garnett and Allen
Parker and Duncan
Rip
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:43 am to VerlanderBEAST
Wade an excellent mid range shooter? That rivals the worst of your posts
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:44 am to ehidal1
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However, shooting a 12-16 ft jumper is a helluva lot different than shooting a 23+ ft shot. Now 3 point shooting is a huge part of the game, so of course it's practiced more than shooting 18 footers.
a good midrange jumpshooter will hit about 45% of his shots and get 2 points 45% of the time
an OK 3point shooter will hit about 35% of his shots and get 3 points 35% of the time
let's say both take 1,000 shots
3PT: 1050 points
MRJ: 900 points
which is more efficient?
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:44 am to corndeaux
Chris Palmer is a retard.
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