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re: Pravda column on gun control in America

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Posted by El Josey Wales
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:20 pm to


You have such a way with words.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:22 pm to
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And it's got nothing to do with safety


It's all about safety, hence the emphasis on gun education and training.

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Yeah that's why I think he's just ignorant of the subject. He honestly believes a high capacity magazine is somehow inherently more dangerous than one with ten rounds in it.


You may call it ignorance, I may call it reality. It'll be up to our legislators to decide soon enough.
Posted by El Josey Wales
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Member since Nov 2007
22710 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:24 pm to
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It'll be up to our legislators to decide soon enough.


I thought crazy joe said big O had this one under control. No need for legislation when an executive order will work.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:25 pm to
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frick your stupid fricking opinion.



Then don't read and respond.



I was asked by another poster my opinion on certain questions, I responded. Then was asked by another poster to respond to his response.


You are inviting my opinion into your life by reading and responding.

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:26 pm to
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stewie


No response for me? Not a fan...
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:27 pm to
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I thought crazy joe said big O had this one under control. No need for legislation when an executive order will work.


He may bump his chest all he wants, but the Courts view of the 2nd Amendment will prevail.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:28 pm to
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Pravda column on gun control in America

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stewie



No response for me? Not a fan...


Impatient, one second.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:29 pm to
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Impatient, one second.


I'm not out of college yet so I've got all the time in the world.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:33 pm to
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am 100% in disagreement about gun registration. Why does the government need to know all these details about my life? The government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around.


We all acknowledge the risk of registration, I'm stating that the benefits would outweigh the risk in the long run if the proper program was in place.
My opinion.

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Disarming good people does not disarm criminals.


Disarming good people does not disarm criminals.


Disarming good people does not disarm criminals.


Right, I never said we should disarm good people. I'm forwarding a possible method of providing guns to the good people while trying to keep them out of the hands of the criminals.

As stated, maybe its too late because of gun saturation in our society. I'd refuse to take that defeatist approach though. To each his own.

Again, let me make it very clear. I'm not against gun ownership. However, I (like many others) do feel that there should be limits.
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:38 pm to
Guns with limits only leads to more violence. Guns without limits prevents it.

The only thing that stops a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.

The only thing that stops a bad government with guns is a populace with more guns.

Advocates of guns and gun control alike will never see eye to eye as there is a fundamental trust difference.

I don't trust an entity that wants to disarm me, or restrict my ability to arm, while keeping that leverage for itself. Gun control advocates have no issue with this. The debate is endless.
Posted by beulahland
Little D'arbonne
Member since Jan 2013
3567 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:41 pm to
unnecessary laws weaken necessary laws. We have way more than enough laws. Murder is against the law.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:42 pm to
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The debate is endless.


Truer words have never been spoken.





And on that note, I'm out. I have a nice, traffic filled, drive to NOLA waiting for me.



Edit: to those of you that actually discussed the issues.
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 5:49 pm
Posted by KingRanch
The Ranch
Member since Mar 2012
61590 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:43 pm to


Stewie
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 5:49 pm
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:48 pm to
I appreciate the response but I don't think we're going to change each other's mind. The difference is, you won't let that stop you from trying to impose your version on me and mine by limiting my right to self defense. You are terribly naive about the consequences of that.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:48 pm to
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Again, let me make it very clear. I'm not against gun ownership. However, I (like many others) do feel that there should be limits.


Correct me if I misrepresent your opinion here, but I think you support a magazine ban (10 rounds) on law abiding citizens.

Here is where the problem lies:

1. Why is 10 the magic number? It is simply a round number to make people "feel" good. It's supposed to make you think that carnage will be limited. As others have said, someone can change a magazine in a matter of a second. It just does not matter.

2. Why should we have to follow the rules of the law when the criminals don't, even if it puts us at an obvious disadvantage? If multiple attackers rob one house with one woman with one handgun with one 10 round magazine, then what is she supposed to do? The law is literally helping the criminals rob, rape, murder, dismember (etc.) her.

I also remember you stating you don't think civilians should be able to own semi automatic rifles. This also can relate to #2^ up there. But also:

3. What happened in California when those riots started? Didn't a lot of store owners go on their roofs armed to the teeth to prevent their precious business from being engulfed in flames? And didn't these exact same people use shotguns and rifles to defend these stores? Yes.

4. If someone happens to live close to the border of Mexico, say TX, NM, AZ, what happens if a drug cartel decides to raid your own isolated home? An AR15 is, without a doubt, very capable of killing people. Wouldn't you prefer the civilian have the odds evened with the criminals?

AR15s are great weapons and are outfitted to be efficient at stopping people. This is exactly why the military and law enforcement use these weapons. If I can't have a police officer around me 24/7, I would like to have the means to defend my life with the same firepower that they use to fight crime.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:54 pm to
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bapple


My apologies, but I do have to get on the road and there's a strict no texting/tigerdroppings while driving in my car.

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Correct me if I misrepresent your opinion here, but I think you support a magazine ban (10 rounds) on law abiding citizens.


All I'm stating is that I think there should be limits (for certain people). What limits and for what people...I don't know. I've stated many times I don't have the answers, just opinions.

Anyway, off on the drive.

Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 5:56 pm to
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4. If someone happens to live close to the border of Mexico, say TX, NM, AZ, what happens if a drug cartel decides to raid your own isolated home? An AR15 is, without a doubt, very capable of killing people. Wouldn't you prefer the civilian have the odds evened with the criminals?


Especially considering our beloved leader and his totally not a criminal attorney general probably gave them the guns in the first place so they could cause situations like that and then try to go for our AR's because well.... who fricking knows why, but if that doesn't give you pause in your little liberal circle of trust that your government is benevolent I really don't think you're capable of thought in any fashion I'd recognize.

Remember back when liberals didn't trust the government? Can we get those back please because these seem to be one tragedy away from strapping on jackboots and stomping on the unclean's necks.
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 5:58 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:25 pm to
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trust


quote:

government


2 words that you wish would be able to fit into the same sentence...
Posted by hashbrowns
Shitholeastan
Member since Nov 2011
2380 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:42 pm to
Only if that sentence starts with Never
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 1/10/13 at 6:50 pm to
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Only if that sentence starts with Never


Amen
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