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Posted by DelU249
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Posted by TigerTool461
Locked up in Chino.
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:57 am to
I hope the eye opening part was good for the players and bad for the NFL. Roger Goodell needs to be kicked in the balls for eternity.
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16430 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:01 am to
I have a bad feeling about this
Posted by crawfishcharlie
Crawfishtown, USA
Member since Dec 2003
4862 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:05 am to

The fix was in before this even got started...
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:06 am to
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I have a bad feeling about this
So do I. As much as I hate Goodell and how dickish he's been about this whole bounty affair, I just can't believe he would hand out the punishments that he did without some pretty compelling evidence.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:08 am to
Jeff Duncan ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58071 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:09 am to
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I just can't believe he would hand out the punishments that he did without some pretty compelling evidence.


Then why hasn't he used all of this "compelling" evidence yet to just squash all of these appeals and be done with it?
The stupid legal games the NFL has tried to play leads me to believe their case never really was all that great from the beginning.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:10 am to
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Then why hasn't he used all of this "compelling" evidence yet to just squash all of these appeals and be done with it?
The stupid legal games the NFL has tried to play leads me to believe their case never really was all that great from the beginning.
well i guess we'll find out soon enough.
Posted by Jayson78
Over There
Member since Sep 2011
965 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:16 am to
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I hope the eye opening part was good for the players and bad for the NFL. Roger Goodell needs to be kicked in the balls for eternity.


quote:

I have a bad feeling about this
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115276 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:35 am to
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The testimony and evidence, we’re told, was eye-opening.


In the present discussion, that can only be bad for us.
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23648 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:36 am to
Who cares at this point the damage is done. Vilma completes his suspension. Coaches come back since they have completed theirs. Picks are already lost. Really nothing to be worried about.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:45 am to
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In the present discussion, that can only be bad for us.


Is it? Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively enough, but since the players have already been convicted and sentenced, what would be eye opening about more evidence of their guilt? Also, if it's bad for the Saints, why will PFT have a "field day" with it when they are the ones that have been ripping the so far flimsy case to pieces? Maybe the field day comment is about how much legal minutiae there is to go through, but it's hard to think how things could have gotten worse for the players short of Vilma's bank statement showing a $10,000 withdrawl.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:52 am to
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Is it? Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively enough, but since the players have already been convicted and sentenced, what would be eye opening about more evidence of their guilt? Also, if it's bad for the Saints, why will PFT have a "field day" with it when they are the ones that have been ripping the so far flimsy case to pieces? Maybe the field day comment is about how much legal minutiae there is to go through, but it's hard to think how things could have gotten worse for the players short of Vilma's bank statement showing a $10,000 withdrawl.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:54 am to
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Is it? Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively enough, but since the players have already been convicted and sentenced, what would be eye opening about more evidence of their guilt? Also, if it's bad for the Saints, why will PFT have a "field day" with it when they are the ones that have been ripping the so far flimsy case to pieces? Maybe the field day comment is about how much legal minutiae there is to go through, but it's hard to think how things could have gotten worse for the players short of Vilma's bank statement showing a $10,000 withdrawl.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115276 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:55 am to
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Is it? Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively enough, but since the players have already been convicted and sentenced, what would be eye opening about more evidence of their guilt? Also, if it's bad for the Saints, why will PFT have a "field day" with it when they are the ones that have been ripping the so far flimsy case to pieces? Maybe the field day comment is about how much legal minutiae there is to go through, but it's hard to think how things could have gotten worse for the players short of Vilma's bank statement showing a $10,000 withdrawl.



Of course it is. The NFL has always said they had plenty of evidence and testimony, but weren't producing it because they simply didn't have to and wanted to protect sources.

"Eye-opening" infers that something was "seen" (ie came to light) to make someone take note. This would SUGGEST that it is evidence that had not yet been brought up by the League.

Since it suggests new evidence, and since the Players argument is a LACK of evidence, "eye-opening" likely means that new evidence AGAINST the players was presented.

The term, as used, again SUGGESTS that it is bad for players.
Posted by Geauxtigrs04
Triad, NC
Member since Sep 2007
1041 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:56 am to
Has the Freeh report come out yet?
Posted by Jayson78
Over There
Member since Sep 2011
965 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:59 am to
I for one don't want to see Vilma re-suspended. Seemed like when he got back on the field the D stepped it up a notch or 2. Due to leadership I would think but none the less, I'd prefer to keep the guy out there without missing anymore time.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61411 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 9:59 am to
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Since it suggests new evidence, and since the Players argument is a LACK of evidence, "eye-opening" likely means that new evidence AGAINST the players was presented.


Hope Crushed
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:21 am to
The cross examination of Cerrulo and Williams may be what's eye opening...
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:27 am to
That's my hope, it's 50/50 based on that article.


Guilty as hell or the NFL basically made it up
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