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The fake field goal is getting way to much attention.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:10 am
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:10 am
One, you would have to "assume" our kicker would have made it. it was from the same distance as the last he missed.
two, we had already overcome that decision. we had the lead and the ball in bama territory with 2 minutes left.
to me, there is only one decision that can/should be considered fair game to criticize. The decision not to try and get the first down. that's it.
All the other decisions did not matter up until that point. you over came all the other stuff.
now, with the above said. certainly reasonable and prudent people could understand, may not agree, but understand the thinking. make them score a t.d., i don't think they can on my defense that has stuffed them the entire second half.
now, still doesn't mean mett or lsu would have completed the pass and got the first down. the game still could have turned out the same.
a lot of fans are narrowing their critism to the fake f.g., the fourth down call, the onside kick, and the long field goal. well, all those didn't matter. you were winning with the ball with 2 minutes left.
at the end of the day, our vaunted defense allowed two t.d. drives of over 70 yards in less than 1 minute each. that's where the game was lost. hold just one of them to a field goal and it's o.t., all the other calls wouldn't have and shouldn't have mattered.
two, we had already overcome that decision. we had the lead and the ball in bama territory with 2 minutes left.
to me, there is only one decision that can/should be considered fair game to criticize. The decision not to try and get the first down. that's it.
All the other decisions did not matter up until that point. you over came all the other stuff.
now, with the above said. certainly reasonable and prudent people could understand, may not agree, but understand the thinking. make them score a t.d., i don't think they can on my defense that has stuffed them the entire second half.
now, still doesn't mean mett or lsu would have completed the pass and got the first down. the game still could have turned out the same.
a lot of fans are narrowing their critism to the fake f.g., the fourth down call, the onside kick, and the long field goal. well, all those didn't matter. you were winning with the ball with 2 minutes left.
at the end of the day, our vaunted defense allowed two t.d. drives of over 70 yards in less than 1 minute each. that's where the game was lost. hold just one of them to a field goal and it's o.t., all the other calls wouldn't have and shouldn't have mattered.
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Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:10 am to dos crystal
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Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:15 am to dos crystal
So when it was 4th and 1 with 8:41 remaining and you qb sneak Ware against 7 350 lb defensive lineman and get 0 yards, you don't think running Hill, Hillard, Sheppard, or Ford getting the first down and probably going up by 10 points with Tiger Stadium going completely nuts might have worked a little better.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:17 am to Alumni80
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So when it was 4th and 1 with 8:41 remaining and you qb sneak Ware against 7 350 lb defensive lineman and get 0 yards, you don't think running Hill, Hillard, Sheppard, or Ford getting the first down and probably going up by 10 points with Tiger Stadium going completely nuts might have worked a little better.
we don't know and it didn't matter. you were in position to win the game despite not picking it up. just because you call a different play doesn't mean you pick it up either.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:19 am to dos crystal
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at the end of the day, our vaunted defense allowed two t.d. drives of over 70 yards in less than 1 minute each. that's where the game was lost
Agreed 100%
The fake FG was a bad call because it was 4th and 12. No way the kicker gets 13 yards.
But the 2 minute defense has been awful this season. It cost us against Bama. If we had held them to just a FG before half, would have been a completley different game.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:21 am to dos crystal
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a lot of fans are narrowing their critism to the fake f.g., the fourth down call, the onside kick, and the long field goal. well, all those didn't matter. you were winning with the ball with 2 minutes left.
Of course they mattered...All those decisions matter when you play a great team with equal talent.
If those decisions are handled differently, the team might be ahead by a TD or more with two minutes left and then maybe the last two minutes look different.
I agree that the D gave it up when a stop was needed to get the W. But you don't gloss over the decisions that are made making you need that stop so bad at the end.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:23 am to dos crystal
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So when it was 4th and 1 with 8:41 remaining and you qb sneak Ware against 7 350 lb defensive lineman and get 0 yards
I watched the replay, for some reason Ware ran right of center and at the only Bama play who got penetration, if he goes left he gets the 1st easily... then it would have been a good call.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:27 am to Chimlim
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If we had held them to just a FG before half, would have been a completley different game.
Possibly, but if LSU doesn't try a 54-yard FG that was about 8 yards short giving Bama great field position at the 37-yard line, Bama most likely does not do anything before half. LSU could have put Wing out there and pinned them deep and Saban would have just run the clock out not wanting to give LSU an easy turnover with just seconds left.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:27 am to Big EZ Tiger
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If those decisions are handled differently, the team might be ahead by a TD or more with two minutes left and then maybe the last two minutes look different.
and if bama hits a wide open wr for a t.d. and don't fumble at the 10, we would have been behind by more than a t.d. with two minutes left.
you can but this if that all night long. again, you are assuming the f.g. kicker makes it, you're assuming another play call picks up the fourth down, your assuming punting prevents the t.d. before half. none of those are a given. it all could have played out the same with the total opposite call.
at the end of the game, the game played out as it was. you had the lead, you had the ball with two minutes left. all the other stuff is water under the bridge/hindsight.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:29 am to Big EZ Tiger
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Possibly, but if LSU doesn't try a 54-yard FG that was about 8 yards short giving Bama great field position at the 37-yard line, Bama most likely does not do anything before half. LSU could have put Wing out there and pinned them deep and Saban would have just run the clock out not wanting to give LSU an easy turnover with just seconds left.
that's an assumption. lacy could have broke a big run, and the drive still could have happened.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:29 am to dos crystal
I dont think the fake FG hurt either. But the long FG did. CLM should know about our tendency to score before half time. Knowing that I would want to back us up deep versus attempting a 54 yd FG when 44 was kickers career long. Then giving it back to us on the 37.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:34 am to dos crystal
agree. the 54 yard attempt was the one that was much more damaging, and the prevent defense on the last drive was the fatal error in judgment.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:43 am to dos crystal
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and if bama hits a wide open wr for a t.d. and don't fumble at the 10, we would have been behind by more than a t.d. with two minutes left.
I'm talking coaching decisions that put your team in a better position to be successful. Those weren't coaching decisions.
LSU had a 15-yard late hit after a big run that probably basically killed a drive that looked like it would get points....numerous missed passes in the first half...a missed FG...I'm not talking about those things.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:49 am to Football_Freak
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the prevent defense on the last drive was the fatal error in judgment.
Yall need to learn what a prevent defense is. We blitzed on the screen pass which is not prevent. Yes we played soft the 3 plays prior but almost every team plays it that way.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:49 am to bama1959
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I dont think the fake FG hurt either. But the long FG did. CLM should know about our tendency to score before half time. Knowing that I would want to back us up deep versus attempting a 54 yd FG when 44 was kickers career long. Then giving it back to us on the 37.
I agree. There were several miscues in the game by the coaching staff. But while the fake field goal didn't "hurt" it was definitely questionable.
Of course then there is this
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CLM should know about our tendency to score before half time
he should, yes... He should.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:56 am to mmcgrath
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But while the fake field goal didn't "hurt" it was definitely questionable.
It hurt in the sense that it had about 0 % chance of succeeding. If it was a fake that would have given the kicker any kind of chance to really get it, I think people wouldn't have talked about it as much. They could have pinned Bama instead changing field position or tried the FG and possibly made it a 7-6 ball game. Either of those two happening were more likely than succeeding with a 4th and 12 FG fake.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:56 am to mmcgrath
well remember the "print the legend" thing with the media. the legend is that miles is crazy and makes crazy decisions and we win in spite of him not because of him.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:01 am to Chimlim
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But the 2 minute defense has been awful this season. It cost us against Bama. If we had held them to just a FG before half, would have been a completley different game.
The two minute defense wasn't the only thing that cost the game. LSU had plenty of chances to put points on the board, and didn't. There were over 130 plays in the game that contributed to the loss. In the end, they stayed close enough to win on one drive and it never should have happened.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:21 am to Big EZ Tiger
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I'm talking coaching decisions that put your team in a better position to be successful.
i know what you're talking about. again, your assuming the outcome would have been different had a different decision been made. that's my point. a different outcome could have been due to a lot of things not just decisions.
i'm going as far as to say, those decisions aren't even relevant. They were made, lsu overcame them, had the lead with 2 minutes to go and the ball. any decision/play after that is fair game because from that point forward is what decided the game.
you can't say had he not faked the f.g., our f.g. kicker would have made it. you can't say had he punted the ball before half, bama would not have driven down for a score anyway. You can't say had he called a different play on fourth down, we get the first down or if he decided for a f.g. he would have made it. those are assumptions that could have rendered the same result. it would just have been a different complaint.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:25 am to dos crystal
None of these resulted in Bama points.
The Copeland penalty took points off the board and the soft 2 deep zone gave up 2 touchdowns, that's the game.
The Copeland penalty took points off the board and the soft 2 deep zone gave up 2 touchdowns, that's the game.
This post was edited on 11/6/12 at 10:27 am
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