re: **Official** FRINGE: "Transilience Thought Unifier Model-11" SEASON 5 PREMIER

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while it seems like a troll post it just seems odd to troll a fringe thread, so i'm not so sure

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nah he's definitely serious.. doesn't keep him from not being a troll, and if I've learned one thing from the Revolution threads, you can't argue with idiots who don't like sci-fi.. it's like talking to a rock.

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you can't argue with idiots who don't like sci-fi.. it's like talking to a rock.

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i love sci-fi specifically because it doesnt have to live inside the constraints shows based on reality do. people that hate on that fact are retarded its sci-fi for a reason

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It's not like he was wrong. He was being overly critical but he brought up some legit plot holes. And the main story has changed dramatically so I can see that turning some people off even though I think it's a great change of direction.

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He was critical of a sci-fi show that doesn't have to answer any of those things.. he just wanted fringe to stay the same, he's your typical American TV viewer, he likes his burger to be the exact same, lettuce, tomato, no onion, ketchup and mustard: second you put an onion and BBQ sauce on the burger it's the worst thing of all time.

I don't know, I just don't see any of his complaints as problems, as just a "showing us how bad it has gotten, NOW ACCEPT IT" type situation.. so eh - it's sci-fi, writers do this all the time.

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He was critical of a sci-fi show that doesn't have to answer any of those things.. he just wanted fringe to stay the same, he's your typical American TV viewer, he likes his burger to be the exact same, lettuce, tomato, no onion, ketchup and mustard: second you put an onion and BBQ sauce on the burger it's the worst thing of all time

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it's called jumping the shark......I want my burger to be a burger....don't go putting feta and olives on my shite and smushing in it in some pita bread....it won't be a burger anymore.

I have issues in communication like was said earlier. I have watched every show, and who ever and whatever has made the past 4-5 episodes has had to be someone new. The actors are even acting different......Olivia and Peter looking longingly into each other's eyes for mins at a time.....felt I was watching the end of the LOTR trilogy....is this another time line/dimension again? they aren't behaving like they use to.

Also to me the writing has turned into being very cheap, uninspired, and w/o direction. "creative" people who just make shite up as they go along, inventing a brand new crisis and a brand new way to solve it, several times an episode....zero ability to deduce direction, impending consequences, overall storyline....just waiting for the show to end......how do we get in?..."new death tech"...."how does it turn on" "oh, hidden biometric key"..."his memories were wiped" "oh music and a flower"...YAY

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Adding. Amber stasis is like being frozen in time...okay..
Whatever......so why is everyone acting like its been years since they saw each other....in their minds its been like 2 hours

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well we know that Olivia was Ambered before the team.. possibly years before the team. That would probably be why.

Peter and Olivia more than likely hadn't seen each other for years even before the amber stasis, they went separate paths after the Observers attacked - Olivia stayed trying to fight the Observers, while Peter ran off trying to find Etta.

Peter would have been separated from the team for a good while even before Olivia was Amber'ed, and then however long it took them to get amber'ed after that point.. it hasn't been 2 hours.. not even close.

It appears Peter and Olivia were separated for some time after losing their daughter when the Observers first came. Peter stayed home while Olivia joined Walter in fighting the Observers. They seem to be telling us all of this through flashbacks.

BA beat me to it and provided a better explanation.

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it's called jumping the shark....

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they know it's the last season, and they only have 13 episodes left.. I don't think you can "jump the shark" in this scenario.. you can simply "finish how you wanted to"

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The actors are even acting different......Olivia and Peter looking longingly into each other's eyes for mins at a time.....felt I was watching the end of the LOTR trilogy....is this another time line/dimension again? they aren't behaving like they use to.

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They saw billions of people killed in an instant, in an attack they knew was coming and they couldn't stop.. Peter and Olivia have had a child, they have had the child ripped away from them as well.

Walter had a Grandaughter, only to have that Grandaughter ripped away from him as well.. The fringe team has been divided - Peter running off and leaving them behind to find Etta - Olivia being ambered in a far off area, with 0 way to find her, with Broyles joining the Observer's team..

Why the heck would they act the same after all of that!?!

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"new death tech"

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wasn't 100% new, we've seen tech like this from season 1 and another time in season 2, was going to be used for who knows what purpose.. but honestly, I think they used it for the proper situation, I don't see how the stupid death tech would have ever been that great for the war as a whole.. was kinda pointless, but eh.

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"how does it turn on"

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Forshadowing..

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"oh, hidden biometric key"

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I'm going with more forshadowing, if September was smart enough to make it react to Walter's biological signature.. would that not make him smart enough to know that one day Walter would need a brain restart..?

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"his memories were wiped"

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Too bring us back to a Walter that feel's useless, this is needed in order to:

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"oh music and a flower"

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bring us full circle to the point that we realize that music is the key..

Walter has always been fixated on music, he always listens to it when he's working, he's always listening to it when he comes up with ideas, it's the key to his brain and always has been.

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Yeah but they had to keep communication. If there was any time between eachs Amber peter would have gone after her. At best 1 week.

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nope, Peter would have never known about Olivia, he even apologized to her in this episode about running away and never coming back.

Peter was not chilling with the Fringe division, he didn't "stay home" why would he stay home? He lost his child, and he was actively searching for her, he didn't go back to the Fringe division until HE wanted to go back to the Fringe division.. they wouldn't be able to find him - he knew how to find them though.

At best 1 week.. really?! You think their distance that we see in this episode was caused by 1 week.. really!?! I don't think so.

I think it was more like months to years that Peter was separated form the Fringe team. Then Olivia has a breakthrough and goes to NYC - once in NYC she get's cornered by the Observers and has to Amber herself.

Then the Fringe team keeps working to stop the Observers, with any way possible. We have 0 clue how long this is - but Peter is not with them, because Peter did not know Olivia's fate, so the Fringe team didn't have time to sit around and tell him where she was.. or that she even had an amber device.

not to mention, "if Peter hadn't deserted us, he would have had an amber device as well".. blah blah

Months.. years go by, with them working in their own way (I'm going with about 3-4 months on this one, the other is very possible to be about a year and a half) to try and stop the Observers. September could also be helping them at this point, to help keep the Observers away from them.

The fringe teams feels the Observers closing in on them - the Observers lure Peter to the team, and before they can find them: Walter ambers everyone.

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Music and food....pleasure is the key?

Okay....that's why all the pepper....they have no feelings

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The observers don't understand feelings, that's why the Observer even said, "I do not understand why your kind likes music"

Just like with the pepper, it's why they put so much pepper on things, they don't have feelings for things..

The difference in the Fringe team and the Observers is feelings.. So the Observers erased his memories, well the Observer doesn't understand the power of music and feelings, maybe that is the key, and the key that September knew would be possible, in order to get the information - even if erased by another Observer.

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I think his fake death complaint is legit. It's a small enough detail that it shouldn't derail your enjoyment of the show, but there really isn't a need to stress Walter's importance other than to say he has the secret plan in his head.

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I think it goes deeper than that. For 15 years the resistance has had 0 hope. it's basically like Nero coming into the matrix.. all of a sudden there is hope, after 15 years of 0 hope, and just a sliver of a chance to "take out a few here and here" .. they actually have hope to take them all out.

For once in 15 years, the chance to take the Earth back, to truly have freedom again.. is a reality. Walter represents that reality.. Instead of their current method of "we could have taken out a dozen Observers with this fake death tech!" .. their new method is actually freedom from ALL observers.