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The Knight of the Laughing Tree story in SoS


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Of topic, but does anyone else feel like Lord Manderly killed the three Freys and served them in the pies at the wedding like the Rat Cook?


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Most definitely. Wyman served 3 pies for the 3 Freys. He personally cuts the pies for the Bolton and Frey men. He then asks Abel to play the Rat Cook as you mentioned.


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However she died, she lived just long enough for Ned to hear her final words (after killing the Kingsguard), "Promise me, Ned"


I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think there was some time that passed by before she died. Ned's memories fit perfectly with someone that is hiding a huge secret. Even in his thoughts there is little information from his memory of the Tower of Joy. If he had to hide this from the entire realm, including the people he loved, he would likely have to train his mind to think of only the events he could mention. Thus you get a recollection of events that seem like they are all happening in quick secession.


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Wyman served 3 pies for the 3 Freys. He personally cuts the pies for the Bolton and Frey men.


Another GREAT part to this series...

Wyman Manderlay is a beast (nothing to do with his size).


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does anyone else feel like Lord Manderly killed the three Freys and served them in the pies at the wedding like the Rat Cook?


And yes this definitely went down. It's one of my favorite realizations. I hate the Frey's so very very much.


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I need to read this chapter again. I can't recall exactly how it went down


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It's not a bad idea, but I don't see it being true. My impression is that the Targs never had any contact with Westerosi people until they came to conquer Westeros. At that point, they already controlled the dragons.

How far back do we know that Starks have the ability to warg? Didn't mean to imply that the reason Targs can control dragons is from the Stark's ability to warg passing to Targs. More meant to say that the Starks got it from Targs. There were how many years of Targ control of Westeros before aGoT starts?


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I want to say that from aegon to aerys the targs reigned for around 300 years.

Robert had ruled for 15 years before GoT


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want to say that from aegon to aerys the targs reigned for around 300 years.


Yep.


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I want to say that from aegon to aerys the targs reigned for around 300 years


But again, Targs were insular. So to answer Josh's post, i don't think the Starks got their warging gift from the Targs. Either they inherited it from the First Men or from the CotF through some interbreeding. There were plenty of stories of magic in the Stark bloodline prior to the Targs


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I get the feeling Benjen knows the truth


Man, I honestly never considered that, but it would be AWESOME!!

The Jon reveal has to be epic, and Benjen revealing his secret would definitely fit the bill Dear GRRM, make this happen!!!



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does anyone else feel like Lord Manderly killed the three Freys and served them in the pies at the wedding like the Rat Cook?




How the hell did I miss that???? I love Manderly, and the only thing I remember from that scene is being pissed because I thought they killed him.

The last we hear of him his throat was slit and he's flopping around on the floor in a growing pool of his own blood









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But again, Targs were insular. So to answer Josh's post, i don't think the Starks got their warging gift from the Targs. Either they inherited it from the First Men or from the CotF through some interbreeding. There were plenty of stories of magic in the Stark bloodline prior to the Targs


I don't agree with his point I was just answering his question.

The Starks very rarely had southron ambitions other than Rickard so I don't even know that the targs and Starks had relations until rhaegar and lyanna.

I mean the Starks are descended from Bran the fricking builder they have plenty of magic in their blood line


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I don't agree with his point I was just answering his question


O no I know that. I was answering his question too, just piggy backing off your answer. I was just saying: Yeah the Targs have been around a while, but in don't think they are responsible for the Starks' warging or magic.
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It's just a crackpot theory, nobody knows at this point. But where are all the stories of magic in the Stark family? And that Bran the Builder built the Wall with magic? I can't find anything from google and Wiki oIaF says he built it with the help of giants. That's all just stories also. I'm basing what I said earlier on the fact that little is known of earlier Starks. There are lots of unknowns in their genealogy and it only goes back 5 generations according to wiki.

This will be my crackpot theory then.


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How the hell did I miss that???? I love Manderly, and the only thing I remember from that scene is being pissed because I thought they killed him.

The last we hear of him his throat was slit and he's flopping around on the floor in a growing pool of his own blood


It's very subtle. It's basically the way Manderly is serving everyone all the pies, but mostly it's Manderly asking them to play the rat cook song that seals the deal.

And that part has been confirmed by Martin's publishers after the book came out.


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It's just a crackpot theory, nobody knows at this point. But where are all the stories of magic in the Stark family? And that Bran the Builder built the Wall with magic? I can't find anything from google and Wiki oIaF says he built it with the help of giants. That's all just stories also. I'm basing what I said earlier on the fact that little is known of earlier Starks. There are lots of unknowns in their genealogy and it only goes back 5 generations according to wiki.


The wall is warded against others and wights they cannot cross. The wall has to fall in order for them to break though. Look at cold hands for example. That doesn't come from normal means. They are descended from the first men, more so than any other family in westeros, of course they have a background for magic.

Not real sure what you mean with the giants comment.


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When Winter comes, Starks rise from the crypt room to beat back White Walkers. There must be a Stark in Winterfell for this reason. People assumed when Ned died he would never be able to tell John about his mom the next time he saw him. John will have that conversation with Ned in the Winterfell crypt along with Lyanna.


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But they will both be dead. Jon will come back to beat White walkers back and save Westeros. Book it.


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