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Rickard Stark's wife, Ned's mother.

Probably has Zero effect on the story, no matter who she was, but this irks me. If for no other reason except that she seems almost conspicuously absent - when researching the history of the main characters of major houses, most, but not all include the mothers' names / House as well as the fathers'.
Given that she married into arguably the most powerful House in Westeros, (and married The Lord of Winterfell, himself, no less!) we could assume she was from a powerful House herself, or at least one worth mentioning.


WTF?






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The answer is obvious. Ned Stark is Jesus, except he was born without a mother instead of without a father.





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BlackleafBaller
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one theory is that Coldhands is the Nights King, who some believe is Brandon Stark (Bran the Builder)


Tnx for that link.....Int stuff.






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Might have been posted previously but don't remember coming across it before. Someone took the audiobook of Ned's dream, added some fan art, and placed it in between Ned's capture and awakening in the show.

Doesn't really add anything to the thread, but I always enjoy revisiting one of my favorite scenes from the books.

Tower of Joy

Still seems like such a huge part of the big story to have been left out of the show, but I guess they can always explain without it later.






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After watching some of History and Lore on youtube I came across these comments and I was wondering how the rest of the board sees it.

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in my opinion, essos is europe, westeros is great britain, the north is scotland, where the first inhabitants of britain still dwell, the wall is hadrians wall, valyria is rome, they ruled over britain for short time, and then they collapsed, old ghis is carthage, in ruins, the red god? religion is zoroastrism, sothoros is africa, and the dorthraki are mongols, black sea is the slavers bay, the jade sea is the persian gulf, and asshai could be persia... it is all relatable.
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Whislt it true it is essentailly engalnd, the wall as hadrians wall, the starks as yorks, lannistars as lancastrians, wildlings as scots, I think that it also has strong post roman britian conotations and the war between Gisgrachi and Valyria has EXTTREMLY strong elemnets of the war between Carthage and Rome. It is also? true Valyria has elements of atalantis. Also once rome/ valyria fell there was a loss of knowledge and tech etc. But I agree westeros is mostly england in my mind.


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I'm pretty sure Benjin is Coldhands.



I believe GRRM shot this theory down






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The books themselves shot the theory down





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Thoughts?


Well, the part about the Yorks and Lancasters is true, as Martin loosely based the series on the War of the Roses. I don't really see the Rome connection, as Valyria itself never really conquered Westeros.

Pretty easy to see the wildlings as Picts and Scots and the wall as a variation of Hadrian's wall though.






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I've always thought of Valyria as Rome based off of their technogical advancements as seen with ther extensive road systems which are still used in the present day in the series.

And the only reason Valyria didn't conquer Westeros is because they never tried. Aegon I did it fairly easily with limited man power and 3 dragons. The full power of Valyria would've easily crushed Westeros many times over






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The books themselves shot the theory down
how so.






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When the children of the forest told bran that Coldhands was killed "a long long time ago". A few years is not "a long long time" to a race of beings who live for hundreds of years.





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Huh, I generally have excellent reading comprehension but didn't pick up on that.

So then he's probably Bran the builder right?






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Some stark from yesteryear. Bran the builder is just as good of a guess as any I guess.

I'm almost sure he is the Night King. Whether that was Bran the Builder or not I don't know.






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I'm almost sure he is the Night King


I have to agree with you. I'm sifting through the link that BlackleafBaller posted and there's some good arguments about the Night King. I really need to read the books again. There's so much that I missed.






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LINK

Here's another good link with interesting takes on the Others






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I've always thought of Valyria as Rome based off of their technogical advancements as seen with ther extensive road systems which are still used in the present day in the series.

And the only reason Valyria didn't conquer Westeros is because they never tried. Aegon I did it fairly easily with limited man power and 3 dragons. The full power of Valyria would've easily crushed Westeros many times over



Oh no doubt Valyria could have conquered Westeros fairly easily if they tried, I was just saying the historical comparisons for them with Rome really didn't fit in that way.

I always had more of an Atlantis sort of vibe from Valyria just because of the Doom, and the locale made me think more Greece than Italy, particularly Athens with Valyria being on the end of a peninsula.

And all of the free cities are pretty much versions of Italian city states in their own right. I've always seen Westoros as kinda like western Europe on an island, since Dorne is kinda like Spain.

The roads and tech are definitely Roman-like though.






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So then he's probably Bran the builder right?


If you were talking about that link a few pages back, yeah, that poster took some liberties about who Martin was referring to with the "Your monster, Brandon Stark." quote and the Brandon Stark tasting the blood...but it's an interesting take.

I think the poster was off in that last bit, about Bran seeing BtB murdered by 'ancient Starks' in front of the Heart Tree - it was stated that the 'bearded man' had a bronze scythe. Sounds more like a First Men (man) to me than a Stark. I always read that vision as a very early Weirnet file of an early Stark (BtB makes sense) being 'sacrificed' to the old gods...

but now I think it may be an indication that The First Men struck a deal with the Others (Ever wonder how they turned the Andals away when noone else could?)The first men (bronze weapons being highest technology)obliged the Others to kill BtB in the hopes that his magic would perish with him, hoping The Wall would fall.

Another possibility is that BtB was the one with the bronze scythe, performing the necessary blood magic sacrifice to build The Wall or even Winterfell. Makes sense (to me now, I guess) that he would use bronze per his ancestry and perform it in sight of the old gods...Bran tasting the blood is a way of saying this sacrifice gave him and his forefathers life...akept the line from being obliterated long ago - even though I think it more likely a reference to Bran's union with the WW tree, tasting the blood via the roots of the sapling....

ETA: My pastor just threw out a "bend the knee" in his sermon.



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Thoughts?


I always assumed this to be implicit






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I had some doubts about Ciaran Hind as Mance but he pulled it off. Somehow I was picturing a younger Kris Kristofferson type. I'm happy with Hind though.

So if we're not getting Strong Belwas, I take it Barristan will fight the Meerenese champion? Excited and disapointed at the same time.



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I always assumed this to be implicit


I always thought Westeros was resembled Great Britain but I never put much thought into the other stuff.






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