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Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Zephyrius
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:44 am to
Then we have the spirtual war for Westeros...

Where do The Seven, Old Gods of the North(Bran), and R'hllor the Red God(Melisandre) fit in of the "Game"?

Does Arya blow all this up with the Faceless God?

And where do the maesters fit in all this?
Posted by WalkingTurtles
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:58 am to
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What I don't know is where Dorne fits in this but I'll bet Danu


Well if Aegon is who he says then he's Doran's nephew and Dorne should rally to him. I believe Arienne Martell is going to meet him in the Stormlands to confirm this.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:16 am to
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The system denied him his chance at love, coerced him into the most embarrassing situation of his life and claimed his innocence all in one day. Not to mention that the system also likely robbed him of what would've been his first born child.

He's pissed and anger is his main motivation. Although he has managed to control the flames of his rage and used them to temper his own personal blade. He has nothing to lose and he's already lost the only thing he ever truly wanted. So he's content to wait and watch the men who controlled the system scurry around like roaches with the lights on.

He is the anti-varys. Varys wants what is good for the realm but what he really means is he wants what is going to keep the system running as it is meant to. Little finger only wants to destroy.


Can't say I agree with all of this, but for the most part I'm with you.

I'm not sure LF really wants to destroy Westeros, but he certainly wants to exact revenge on the "system" (i.e. the Great Houses). He's already begun by claiming Sansa and now, pretty much, the Vale. That's at least 2 Great Houses he has in his pocket (for all he knows, Jon is dead and/or may as well be since he took the Black, Rickon and Bran are "confirmed" dead, Robb is dead, Arya is suspected dead, and both Catelyn and Ned are dead - Sansa's all that's left and he's got her under thumb -- The name of Arryn has been excreted from the world for the most part and all that's left of it is a sickly little brat who could very easily go flying at some point, or, you know, die from all the Sweetsleep he's being given). From this position, the Great House of the North and the Great House of the Vale are very nearly completely in his grasp and he can make a move on some of the depleted forces of Westeros, particularly given that the Vale has stayed out of combat.

I think his ultimate revenge will be to control the system, rather than obliterate it.

But I also don't think Varys has such pure motives, but at this point, his true motivations are unclear to me.
Posted by WalkingTurtles
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:19 am to
I believe Varys motives are for him and Illyrio to be in positions of power. I do believe Varys wants the realm to be run correctly and by a good king.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:31 am to
Guys, how sick would this be: Rains begins to play. Everyone is kind of confused and looking around and Cat sees Edwyn Frey causing the ruckus with Dacey Mormont. She gets paranoid and pursues him as it cuts to someone carrying a covered platter to Robb. Cuts back to Catelyn arguing with Edwyn, and she pulls his garments to reveal his chain mail. She looks to Robb, and it shows him removing the cover to reveal Grey Wind's head.

"Mother!"

Quarrel.


Quarrel


The madness begins
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 10:37 am
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:35 am to
Will the RW have a bigger shock value than Ned's head to the non readers?
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:36 am to
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Sansa Stark, Queen in the North, Lady of Winterfell


I don't get the support for this popular theory. In fact, I have four problems with it:

(Smallest to biggest)

1) Jon Snow "Stark" -if legitimized per Rob's decree. (Expected to be rescinded by Jon. If it is, then:
2) King Rob's true born heir by Jeyne. (Big if. If not, then:
3) Sansa gets married (again) she's no longer a Stark. (Same as Tywin's sister, a Frey. Even if there's a loophole here, what about:
4) Rickon Stark. (Boom. And no, we can't assume he's dead. I think we can assume Bran ain't coming back- he's really puttin down roots in TLoAW. )
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 10:37 am to
Yes
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:03 am to
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1) Jon Snow "Stark" -if legitimized per Rob's decree. (Expected to be rescinded by Jon. If it is, then:
2) King Rob's true born heir by Jeyne. (Big if. If not, then:
3) Sansa gets married (again) she's no longer a Stark. (Same as Tywin's sister, a Frey. Even if there's a loophole here, what about:
4) Rickon Stark. (Boom. And no, we can't assume he's dead. I think we can assume Bran ain't coming back- he's really puttin down roots in TLoAW. )


Actually I think that makes it more enticing. Aside from #3, none of these are known to the general public. I think it will be late in the next novel when Littlefinger finds out about Rickon and Jon being legitimized, and he'll seek to kill them, which will be his demise, especially when Sansa discovers Littlefinger's role in her father's death.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:04 am to
So are you still RAing his every post?
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Then we have the spirtual war for Westeros...

Where do The Seven, Old Gods of the North(Bran), and R'hllor the Red God(Melisandre) fit in of the "Game"?

Does Arya blow all this up with the Faceless God?

And where do the maesters fit in all this?

I somehow get the feeling that the Maesters (for the most part) have been suppressing magic and trying to minimize it to the extent that they can. Of course, it seems like magic is starting to pop back up with the dragons, the resurrections, etc. And there are at least a few maesters who seem willing to utilize it.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:13 am to
I agree with a temporary hold on WF and the North by default by Sansa, but many think its hers at the endgame. I just don't see that happening.

And RE: LF being an agent for the Iron Bank-don't remember who said it, but

Very interesting. It irked me that he put the crown in so much debt to a rich domestic entity like Casterly Rock when a neutral foreign bank could be the debtor...unless it were a deliberate plan to have the Lannisters hemorrhage funds, an attack on their finances, to in turn put them in debt to the IB. Aiding a Lannister to sit the Iron Throne really supports this, it plan. Joff / Cersei could bleed the rock dry to keep his crown.

Where else could the coin come from, if not the IB? Even Lannister gold is a finite supply.

This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 11:26 am
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:18 am to
Who? I don't RA
Posted by Zephyrius
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:20 am to
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...especially when Sansa discovers Littlefinger's role in her father's death.


Unless she is blinded with the "Game" and her motivation to beat Cersei...

Also LF's role in Ned's death... has this been definitive or just assumed?
Posted by WalkingTurtles
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Also LF's role in Ned's death... has this been definitive or just assumed?


Definitive, he feigned friendship with Ned and led him to believe the City Watch was on his side. However he ultimately had them side with the queen but it was his money in play.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:48 pm to
My crackpot view of Littlefinger:

Littlefinger, in my mind, represents America. Littlefinger is the self-made man, the product of Westeros's equivalent of the "American Dream". He is a merchant who sees the chivalry and feudalism of the Seven Kingdoms as a backwards, counter-productive system. He wants to bring about the end of that system, bringing about an economical, as well as political, revolution of thought; creating a more free market and banking economy run by the merchants than a feudal kingdom of merchants (think Renaissance era Florence).

Of course, in this new world of capitalism, Littlefinger will put himself as the head of the merchants, like the Medici, and through Sansa, will attempt to recapture the lost love of his youth.

Littlefinger's story, however, unlike America's, will be a tragic one.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:59 pm to
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d RE: LF being an agent for the Iron Bank-don't remember who said it, but Very interesting. It irked me that he put the crown in so much debt to a rich domestic entity like Casterly Rock when a neutral foreign bank could be the debtor...unless it were a deliberate plan to have the Lannisters hemorrhage funds, an attack on their finances, to in turn put them in debt to the IB. Aiding a Lannister to sit the Iron Throne really supports this, it plan. Joff / Cersei could bleed the rock dry to keep his crown. Where else could the coin come from, if not the IB? Even Lannister gold is a finite supply.


That...that is genius. I have never thought of that


Kingbob, i love your analysis too. I have small hope that he makes it somehow
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Where do The Seven, Old Gods of the North(Bran), and R'hllor the Red God(Melisandre) fit in of the "Game"?


I'm interested in seeing the juxtaposition to The Others. Everything we've been told up to this point is that The Others are bad/evil/etc. I'm curious is this continues to hold true as we progress. Or do we find out that we should fear R'hllor and his Red Priestess far more than The Others?

quote:

Does Arya blow all this up with the Faceless God?


I think she's never able to truly let go of her past but retains her skills as a Faceless Man and wrecks shite. It's my one hope going forward.

quote:

And where do the maesters fit in all this?


They're certainly up to something. And I don't think it's good either. Seeing someone like Qyburn makes me fear a little bit for what they could bring down from Oldtown. They are the hand that essentially rocks the crown's cradle with their knowledge of the ways of Westeros.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:10 pm to
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I'm interested in seeing the juxtaposition to The Others. Everything we've been told up to this point is that The Others are bad/evil/etc. I'm curious is this continues to hold true as we progress. Or do we find out that we should fear R'hllor and his Red Priestess far more than The Others?




What about the Shadow?
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

What about the Shadow?


That, Asshai, and Valyria is really intriguing to me. Too much basis in magic and such for there to not be something that will come of it.
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