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What exactly happened with Snikeris at 2nd base yesterday?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:27 am
I read the article in The Advocate? I did not see a replay anywhere. Was it an awful call?
This part, I find hard to believe [that one toe has that power]:
This part, I find hard to believe [that one toe has that power]:
quote:.
"My toe caught the bad to keep me from oversliding it"
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:34 am to LSForYou
What I don't understand is that I thought it was am dead ball on ball .
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:36 am to LSForYou
Toe barely came off. Umps should have made it clear it was a walk.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:36 am to AikenLSUTiger
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it was am dead ball on ball .
nope, he is awarded 2nd base on the walk, but once he touches the bag that part is over, oversliding the bag is the equivalent to taking a lead and getting picked off or getting out on a hidden ball trick.
Ball is NEVER dead on a walk, which is why a catcher can throw out a runner trying to take 3rd from 2nd on ball 4 (assuming there is no one on 1st)
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:37 am to AikenLSUTiger
quote:Huh?
What I don't understand is that I thought it was am dead ball on ball .
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:40 am to Tigerfan7218
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nope, he is awarded 2nd base on the walk, but once he touches the bag that part is over, oversliding the bag is the equivalent to taking a lead and getting picked off or getting out on a hidden ball trick.
right.
So he did overslide?
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:40 am to Tigerfan7218
Understand that because theren is no force.,but that wasn't the case. And I would think that time is out until the pitchers receives tyhe ball.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:41 am to LSForYou
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So he did overslide?
From every replay I've seen of it, yes, but only just. There were a few angles that looked like his foot might have been on the bag, but it was close
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:41 am to AikenLSUTiger
1)The umpire forgot to call BALL FOUR (or didn't know that it was 3-2 pitch).
2)Therefore, the 2nd base umpire assumed live ball and makes a call at 2nd instead of informing players of dead ball
3)Snikeris is called out after his foot comes off bag (less than 2 inches) while tag is applied. (However, the argument can be made that his body never fully crossed 2nd.... IT STILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD BALL.)
All this would have been avoided if idiot behind home remembers to call ball four...
2)Therefore, the 2nd base umpire assumed live ball and makes a call at 2nd instead of informing players of dead ball
3)Snikeris is called out after his foot comes off bag (less than 2 inches) while tag is applied. (However, the argument can be made that his body never fully crossed 2nd.... IT STILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD BALL.)
All this would have been avoided if idiot behind home remembers to call ball four...
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:42 am to Tigerfan7218
he was definitely out. the replay showed that he was not on the bag. the baserunning on this team is atrocious. the dead ball meant nothing once he slid off the bad the dead ball issue is over.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:42 am to AikenLSUTiger
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And I would think that time is out until the pitchers receives tyhe ball
Nope, ball is never dead, snikeris has the option of trying to take 3rd on that situation (say ball 4 in this case was a WP). So ball 4 =/= dead ball in any case
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:44 am to AikenLSUTiger
quote:No. The base runner can continue to proceed past second base at his own risk. In fact, the batter who just walked can continue to second at his own risk after he touches first base unless someone calls timeout and is granted the TO by an ump.
I would think that time is out until the pitchers receives tyhe ball.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:45 am to Tigerfan7218
Technically, his left foot never crosses 2nd so I make my argument that it is UNFORGIVABLE MISTAKE to call Snikeris out.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:47 am to BlowTideBlow
quote:Maybe not but the photo is this morning's paper shows his body sliding across the bag.
Technically, his left foot never crosses 2nd
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:48 am to BlowTideBlow
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1)The umpire forgot to call BALL FOUR (or didn't know that it was 3-2 pitch).
Umps very rarely visiably call ball four. They don't usually make any gestures.
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2)Therefore, the 2nd base umpire assumed live ball and makes a call at 2nd instead of informing players of dead ball
2nd base umpire assumed live ball, because IT WAS a live ball. 2nd base ump would never inform the player to slow down. Maybe in little league. IT WAS NOT A DEAD BALL!!!
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3)Snikeris is called out after his foot comes off bag (less than 2 inches) while tag is applied. (However, the argument can be made that his body never fully crossed 2nd.... IT STILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD BALL.)
Isn't 2 inches "off the bag" and wouldn't he be out? Why would the body have to cross the bag? IT'S NOT A DEAD BALL!!!
Nice try, but 0 for 3 on your comments.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:50 am to LSURussian
In most cases the 2nd base ump informs the runner its a walk and he eases up.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:50 am to LoyalTiger
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2nd base ump would never inform the player to slow down
Don't agree with this one, I've seen umps tell a guy going to 2nd that it's a walk before, they don't HAVE to, but they have before
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:51 am to LSURussian
The travesty was the home plate ump not immediately signaling ball 4 to inform Jordan and the 2nd base umpire it was a walk. From there, the second base umpire made the correct call, but he never should have been in the situation
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:52 am to NOLATIGAH
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he was definitely out.
No he wasn't. His hand came off, but his left toe was on the bag.
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the replay showed that he was not on the bag.
No it didn't.
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the dead ball meant nothing once he slid off the bad the dead ball issue is over
You would be correct if he ever left the bag, which he didn't. His hand left the bag, but his left toe remained.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 9:54 am to PenguinNinja
quote:Snik only has one toe on his left foot?!? Damn!!!
his left toe remained.
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