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6th Inning Question....
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:36 pm
In the 6th inning with two men on (1st & 2nd) and no outs why didnt' LSU bunt Katz? It was tied at 1 and we needed to put men in scoring position. Not flaming just asking an "x's and o's" question.
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:38 pm to OGTiger
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In the 6th inning with two men on (1st & 2nd) and no outs why didnt' LSU bunt Katz? It was tied at 1 and we needed to put men in scoring position. Not flaming just asking an "x's and o's" question.
There was already a man in scoring position. If you're going to bunt your 3 hole hitter he shouldn't be hitting 3rd.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:39 pm to OGTiger
He should've bunted him. That was a bad coaching decision by Mainieri. With Rhymes next, you have to take the bat out of Katz's hands in that situation.
So in other words, you are right. Mainieri fricked up, imo.
So in other words, you are right. Mainieri fricked up, imo.
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:39 pm to OGTiger
There was a runner in scoring position and Katz is the guy you want to be hitting. Outside of Rhymes, he's our best hitter, and he's our best hitter right now. Why take the bat out of the hands of your best offensive player with a runner in scoring position and a chance to score a run?
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:40 pm to Baloo
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There was a runner in scoring position and Katz is the guy you want to be hitting. Outside of Rhymes, he's our best hitter, and he's our best hitter right now. Why take the bat out of the hands of your best offensive player with a runner in scoring position and a chance to score a run?
Oh look baloo gets it too.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:40 pm to harry coleman beast
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If you're going to bunt your 3 hole hitter he shouldn't be hitting 3rd.
With Rhymes coming up and no outs? You gotta take the bat out of Katz's hands. He's not THAT good. I'd rather get two men into scoring position than watch Katz pop out because you were hoping for a HR.
ETA: Especially with the wind last night. It'd have to be a perfectly placed ball to score a run. Anything on the ground is a double play and anything in the air will be knocked down by the wind and caught.
This post was edited on 6/2/12 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:40 pm to Baloo
Either call was the correct call
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:41 pm to TigersSEC2010
If Katz bunts, 1B becomes unoccupied. Rhymes more than likely gets walked. Therefore, you took the bat out of your top two hitters by bunting.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:41 pm to harry coleman beast
Well, I pathologically despise sac bunting. But I don't see how you can ever justify bunting your #3 or #4 hitters.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:42 pm to OGTiger
There are differing philosophies as to whether you automatically bunt in that situation. It generally depends on the situation, who the hitter is coming up and on deck, what the pitchers stuff is like, etc.
Is Katzenjammer a good bunter? Would they have walked Rhymes if the bunt was successful? If so, what does Schnick look like against that pitcher? Does Ulm have a wheel play that they put on?
Sometimes it is just a feel that the manager has.
I don't think there is a simple or automatic Yes/No answer to your question.
Is Katzenjammer a good bunter? Would they have walked Rhymes if the bunt was successful? If so, what does Schnick look like against that pitcher? Does Ulm have a wheel play that they put on?
Sometimes it is just a feel that the manager has.
I don't think there is a simple or automatic Yes/No answer to your question.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:42 pm to TigersSEC2010
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He should've bunted him. That was an absolutely atrocious coaching decision by Mainieri. With Rhymes next, you have to take the bat out of Katz's hands in that situation. Pissed me off.
There was no "right" decision where people do not second guess his choice. For instance, if he bunts Katz and puts men on 2nd and 3rd then ULM simply walks Rhymes since there is an open 1st base.
Now you have taken the bat out of your best two hitters. It is easy to say in hindsight, but to say it pisses you off is a bit strong.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:44 pm to DaStain
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but to say it pisses you off is a bit strong.
True.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:44 pm to TigersSEC2010
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you were hoping for a HR.
Actually, you're playing for a hit of any kind. If Katz gets a single, the runner on 2nd likely scores. Katz is the guy most likely to get a hit right now. There's no other player I want up right now than Katz. I'm not giving away the out.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:44 pm to TigersSEC2010
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With Rhymes coming up and no outs? You gotta take the bat out of Katz's hands. He's not THAT good. I'd rather get two men into scoring position than watch Katz pop out because you were hoping for a HR.
You bunt katz then they walk rhymes taking the bat out of your two best hitters hands. I'll take my chances letting katz and rhymes swing away.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:46 pm to Baloo
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Actually, you're playing for a hit of any kind. If Katz gets a single, the runner on 2nd likely scores. Katz is the guy most likely to get a hit right now. There's no other player I want up right now than Katz. I'm not giving away the out.
I understand where you're coming from, I still would've bunted him. I had two former LSU players tell me they would've bunted him last night as well. I guess there are just different schools of thought on this. Especially with the win knocking everything down last night. Anything in the air or on the ground is an automatic out anyway.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:47 pm to TigersSEC2010
All baseball players aren't smart baseball people.
Posted on 6/2/12 at 12:56 pm to TigersSEC2010
If it were the bottom of the ninth...maybe. But remember the CWS final in 2000. Tie game. Bottom of the ninth. Theriot singles, Fontenot walks. Cresse didn't bunt. He singled. Theriot scored. LSU wins.
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