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Why Miles/Aleva and Martin are right on LSU vs. Florida
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:32 am
Florida the Juggernaut
1. Florida, is far ahead of the SEC
(a) academic reputation
(b) money and alumni contributions,
2. Florida is in a talent rich area
3. It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school.
4. Post Spurrier football tradition is enormous.
Tennessee and Georgia
1. Lets face it Georgia and Tennessee comes nowhere close to Florida in the above department.
2. Tennessee will never be as good because they are not located in a talent rich area.
3. Georgia is smack dead in the center of the SEC and has to constantly fight its own recruits being poached by Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, GA Tech etc.
4. Neither school has an academic tradition.
So Bama and Auburn will always have a easier opponent, no matter what.
Florida the season ruin-er
In 2002, Matt Mauck suffered a season ending injury during our win at Gainsville during a Zook coached Gator team. We were 5-1 then. We ended that year 8-5. It could have been worse, but for the bluegrass miracle. Our season died that day in Gainsville.
In 2003, a Zook coached Gator team with a freshman QB, Chris Leak went onto beat us in Tiger Stadium in an upset. We went of to go 13-1. We could easily have been shut out, had USC not lost to Cal that year. Still it was the 1 loss that created the split National Championship.
In the Meyer-Tebow years 2006,2007,2008 and 2009, we had lost 3 out of 4 to Florida. 2007, being the only exception. In 2007, we had to go for 5 fourth down conversions in the last scoring down to win. Had one of those conversions not happened 2007 would not be an NC year.
Do any of you remember the Spurrier-Wuerfell era. It was never close.
1. Florida, is far ahead of the SEC
(a) academic reputation
(b) money and alumni contributions,
2. Florida is in a talent rich area
3. It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school.
4. Post Spurrier football tradition is enormous.
Tennessee and Georgia
1. Lets face it Georgia and Tennessee comes nowhere close to Florida in the above department.
2. Tennessee will never be as good because they are not located in a talent rich area.
3. Georgia is smack dead in the center of the SEC and has to constantly fight its own recruits being poached by Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, GA Tech etc.
4. Neither school has an academic tradition.
So Bama and Auburn will always have a easier opponent, no matter what.
Florida the season ruin-er
In 2002, Matt Mauck suffered a season ending injury during our win at Gainsville during a Zook coached Gator team. We were 5-1 then. We ended that year 8-5. It could have been worse, but for the bluegrass miracle. Our season died that day in Gainsville.
In 2003, a Zook coached Gator team with a freshman QB, Chris Leak went onto beat us in Tiger Stadium in an upset. We went of to go 13-1. We could easily have been shut out, had USC not lost to Cal that year. Still it was the 1 loss that created the split National Championship.
In the Meyer-Tebow years 2006,2007,2008 and 2009, we had lost 3 out of 4 to Florida. 2007, being the only exception. In 2007, we had to go for 5 fourth down conversions in the last scoring down to win. Had one of those conversions not happened 2007 would not be an NC year.
Do any of you remember the Spurrier-Wuerfell era. It was never close.
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Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:35 am to mike4lsu
We are back on top again. Let us give Florida an annual beatdown and be done with it.
We ain't skeered of them.
We ain't skeered of them.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:43 am to mike4lsu
1. What does academic success have anything to do with this subject?
2.Florida has proven they can have down years.
3. Matt Mauck's injury is completely irrelavent, it could have happened during any game anywhere.
4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best.
5. Playing the best every year will raise our game. We will compete and continue to do so.
6. All the whining about the Florida game makes us look like we are afraid of competition.
2.Florida has proven they can have down years.
3. Matt Mauck's injury is completely irrelavent, it could have happened during any game anywhere.
4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best.
5. Playing the best every year will raise our game. We will compete and continue to do so.
6. All the whining about the Florida game makes us look like we are afraid of competition.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:43 am to mike4lsu
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Florida the Juggernaut
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3. It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school.
How far are you going back?
LSU is 6-6 against Florida over the last 12 games. Good rivalry.
This post was edited on 5/30/12 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:48 am to otowntiger
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otowntiger
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4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best.
5. Playing the best every year will raise our game. We will compete and continue to do so.
6. All the whining about the Florida game makes us look like we are afraid of competition.
4.) We already play in the SEC & played the last two defending National Champions in the SEC West. Don't look now, but Alabama, Auburn, State & Arkansas are pretty good as it is. Saying we have to beat the best is ridiculously myopic considering the best are already in our Division.
5.) See my explanation for #4. We already play the best. When we play AU, UAT, Ark, MSU & now Texas A&M-YEARLY-we don't need to throw UF in the mix as well.
Yes I know we compete. Yes I know we will continue to do so. But showing bravado that makes no sense and serves no functional purpose is pure idiocy. You're like Lt Dan in the Hurricane on Forest Gump. "YOU CALL THIS A STORM?????" Give me a break. We know you want to play them. We're glad you're so brave. We get how hard core you are.
We're already playing 2-3 Top 5 teams and 4-5 Top 25 teams-ANNUALLY-on a Intra Divisional Basis. Our level of play won't be dictated by Florida. Its gonna be dictated by the Murderer's Row we have in the West.
6.) Its not whining. Its called logic. There's no reason for other programs to get a free pass against creampuff teams so we can protect 4 schools and their "sacred rivalries" while we get jacked around and watch a member that's only been in the league 20 years get accommodated instead of us in Arkansas.
Get a grip dude.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:54 am to mike4lsu
i understand both sides of the argument. i would like to see a rotation only because i don't think teams in the same conference should only play twice every 10 damn years.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 11:54 am to GFunk
yea i wonder why people want to take a harder road than everyone else.
quote:this is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. do you take the rough road in life when there are easier paths in sight? you are a tard if you do.
4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best.
quote:that sure did help us in the 90's when we were dogshit year in and year out. But i bet you werent a fan back then.
5. Playing the best every year will raise our game. We will compete and continue to do so.
This post was edited on 5/30/12 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:00 pm to mike4lsu
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3. It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school.
No, that would be Alabama. We have more SEC titles than Florida and the same number of NC's.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:14 pm to otowntiger
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4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best.
What about Auburn and Bama then? They dont have to play the best why do we have to? I dont give a shite about having to play UF in any given season. Its just bullshite that year in year out we have a tougher road than our two biggest competitors to get to atlanta.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:22 pm to Adam Banks
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I dont give a shite about having to play UF in any given season. Its just bullshite that year in year out we have a tougher road than our two biggest competitors to get to atlanta.
agreed.
if you were starting a new conference w/o traditional rivalries you would never pick a permanent opponent for each team in the other division. Why? Because the only fair formula would be a truly rotating one.
No one for the permanent opponent ever addresses this argument. It's always "you scared".
The point is that the permanent opponent formula is yet another accomodation to the state of Alabama and its rivals. Other teams don't protest because they get the relative patsies.
You can have it both ways: true rotational formula and if you want to play the rival out of rotation, just don't count it in the conference standings. If you don't like that proviso, then shut up- fairness should not give way to your my way or the highway mentality.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:31 pm to mike4lsu
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1. Florida, is far ahead of the SEC (a) academic reputation
No, Vandy.
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2. Florida is in a talent rich area
No, the SEC is in a talent rich area.
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3. It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school.
No, Florida is 5th in SEC titles, behind LSU. Florida is 4th in NCs in the SEC - again, behind LSU.
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4. Post Spurrier football tradition is enormous.
No, Florida is #4 in the SEC in wins since 2002, again, behind LSU which is #1 in the league in that span.
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Tennessee and Georgia
Who cares.
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In 2002, Matt Mauck...
yes, and in 2002 Damien James quit the team mid-season. The defense wasn't the same.
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In 2003, a Zook coached Gator team with a freshman QB, Chris Leak went onto beat us in Tiger Stadium in an upset.
And in 2000 UAB upset LSU in Tiger Stadium.
Mike, WTF??? How could you have so much fail in your post?
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:42 pm to liquid rabbit
+1
Play the game and move on
Play the game and move on
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:46 pm to mike4lsu
LSU should play Florida every year. To be the best you play the best. The conference will never get rid of permanent opponents. The game is one of the marquee games of the SEC football season. Florida games have provided some of the most electric atmospheres in Tiger Stadium I have ever been a part of. Alleva is wrong on this one. Sucks we don't see the other schools more often, but I wouldn't give up playing Florida every year so I can see Vandy and Kentucky more. As a cherry on top, they are down right now while we are rolling. Pay back for the Spurrier years. 
Posted on 5/30/12 at 12:57 pm to mike4lsu
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It has won more NC and SEC titles that any other SEC school
Bama might have something to say about that.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 1:22 pm to GFunk
quote:I'm not the one whining and wringing my hands over something we have no control over. Besides I have NO problems with the rivalry. I like the set up just like it is. It seems you are the one who needs to 'get a grip', whatever that means.
Get a grip dude.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 1:25 pm to GFunk
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We already play in the SEC & played the last two defending National Champions in the SEC West. Don't look now, but Alabama, Auburn, State & Arkansas are pretty good as it is. Saying we have to beat the best is ridiculously myopic considering the best are already in our Division.
Not only is this analysis golden (and I adopt it, as well), but add to it - "IF FLORIDA IS THE BEST WE GET THEM IN THE SEC-CG", regardless if they're in our 2 rotational teams or not.
In NO model of the universe is it fair for us to play Florida EVERY year and somebody from the west (Ole Miss who has been terrible since Johnny Vaught died, which was a long time ago.) gets to play Vandy and compete for the same championship.
The right thing is to go 6-2 - if we can't do that, the right thing would have been to pair Missouri and Texas A&M. To arbitrarily change one pairing, add another and keep this terrible rotational/non-rotational system is beyond biased. They arbitrarily made South Carolina and Arkansas' path easier (already two pretty good teams), while keeping UGA, LSU, Florida and Auburn's task about as difficult as possible. And it was done solely to preserve Alabama's preferred rivalry and keeping its path relatively easy for the next few years.
Complete B$.
This post was edited on 5/30/12 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/30/12 at 1:27 pm to CarRamrod
quote:That is a good point, but there's nothing we can do about it and I like us playing Florida. That's my main point and the fact that we as fans should rather have interesting games on our schedule game in and game out. Oh and by the way I've been a fan of LSU as far back as I can remember, over 40 years so yes I was a fan of LSU in the 90's as hard as it was. How about you?
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5. Playing the best every year will raise our game. We will compete and continue to do so.
that sure did help us in the 90's when we were dog shite year in and year out. But i bet you werent a fan back then.
quote:If that's the dumbest thing you've EVER heard then you have either not been living very long or only associate with very, very smart people.
quote: 4. If we want to be the best we need to beat the best. this is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. do you take the rough road in life when there are easier paths in sight? you are a tard if you do.
This post was edited on 5/30/12 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 5/30/12 at 1:42 pm to Choctaw
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i understand both sides of the argument. i would like to see a rotation only because i don't think teams in the same conference should only play twice every 10 damn years.
this. especially since this could be heading to a sixteen team conference.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 1:54 pm to Adam Banks
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What about Auburn and Bama then? They dont have to play the best why do we have to?
bama and auburn do have to play the best, they have to play LSU.
i know the point you're making is that their scheduled permanent opponent is weak, but i don't think that weakening our schedule makes our team stronger.
Posted on 5/30/12 at 2:20 pm to DontCare
Why would you want to get rid of the Florida game? We have played them every year since '71. The games are usually incredible. The conference will NEVER get rid of permanent opponents. We're looking like scared fans complaining about this. Muschamp wants to keep it, and we are significantly better than them right now.
This post was edited on 5/30/12 at 2:22 pm
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