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170% genoa in a Herreshoff boat in just a little too much wind
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:01 am
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:01 am
The design doesn't care. We have yet to figure out how you'd stall this boat without turning up.
For you that have no clue what this about... you'd dig it. For those that do... 77 Chrysler with a new main and relatively new 170 in about 12 there. In my Catalina that would stop the boat till I reduced sail or fell off downwind. In the Herreshoff design, it's just another angle to go forward. Easily.
Love this boat.
For you that have no clue what this about... you'd dig it. For those that do... 77 Chrysler with a new main and relatively new 170 in about 12 there. In my Catalina that would stop the boat till I reduced sail or fell off downwind. In the Herreshoff design, it's just another angle to go forward. Easily.
Love this boat.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 12:20 am
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Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:03 am to faxis
And yes, I'm going to perpetually gay up the OB with sailing so deal with it. If you had any idea what you were missing and how little it cost you'd thank me.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:27 am to giltrop
Cross Lake this afternoon. Shreveport.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:33 am to faxis
I'm jelly.....Used to sail on Lake Pontchartrain all the time.
Lost my boat in Katrina...Had kids shortly thereafter...Much less sailing now.
Lost my boat in Katrina...Had kids shortly thereafter...Much less sailing now.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:38 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Yeah I've heard your story and you can't believe how bad I feel about it Sid. For me, losing my boat would be life threatening. We sail twice a week whether we want to or not. Generally we get completely hammered and laugh our asses off for hours.
That's got to be good for you. I'm addicted at the very least. And I know my family thinks I'm semi human once I get off the boat no matter how I was when I got on it.
You have to make your day to day life how you want it to be. Mine requires I sail every week if possible. If not, then I anchor and chill. Still works. But doesn't work in week two. Must sail.
Must.
Sail.
That's got to be good for you. I'm addicted at the very least. And I know my family thinks I'm semi human once I get off the boat no matter how I was when I got on it.
You have to make your day to day life how you want it to be. Mine requires I sail every week if possible. If not, then I anchor and chill. Still works. But doesn't work in week two. Must sail.
Must.
Sail.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 12:43 am to faxis
And if you ever find your way up here, I'd be happy to take you out any Wed. or Fri. afternoon. I have a few boats at my disposal but this is the on that really displays the art.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 12:54 am
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:08 am to faxis
Posted on 5/19/12 at 4:32 am to nathannb22
Just came a little bit in the back of my shorts.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 7:00 am to faxis
I dont know a single thing about sailing but dont mind you sharing it with us here. Looks cool. My father in law has a little dingy sailboat that hasnt seen water in the 10 years i have known him.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 7:38 am to faxis
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relatively new 170 in about 12 there.
You lost me there. Do mind explaining?
Posted on 5/19/12 at 9:22 am to faxis
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We have yet to figure out how you'd stall this boat without turning up.
Are you referring to Weather Helm when you mention stall?
Obviously the "no sail zone" would stall you out.
What type of keel?
Posted on 5/19/12 at 10:54 am to faxis
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And if you ever find your way up here, I'd be happy to take you out any Wed. or Fri. afternoon. I have a few boats at my disposal but this is the on that really displays the art
An offer I would love to take you up on!
Looks like a great time.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 11:18 am to NimbleCat
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relatively new 170 in about 12 there.
You lost me there. Do mind explaining?
The sail in the front of sloops go from little ones that are 90% or so to larger ones that are used more often like the 110% to larger ones that get used in progressively lighter air from 135%, 150%, to the truly huge 170%. If the wind gets up you have to reduce sail to a smaller one.
We had the 170% on there because we started with very little wind, then it started blowing 12-15 MPH but we still had it on there because we weren't expecting it to last.
Nimble I'm referring to when you're so over-canvassed you get knocked down and you lose steerage so it just tries to round up and you can't stop it because you have no speed on the rudder anymore because you've got it too far over fighting weather helm and you've braked the boat to the point you've lost steerage and speed. I've stalled my Catalina before like that by heeling it too hard in high wind (just to see if I could), but this Chrysler barely even slows down. I think part of the reason is the hull design and the other part is the position of the rudder forward and not on the transom like on my Catalina. This boat just loves to heel. She can go all the way to the rail and hold it and you're just flying.
I've stood almost knee deep in the water on the side deck of that boat before during an ill timed attempt to get a Saints hat back masquerading as a man overboard drill.
It's a damn fun boat. She's built like a tank. Oh and Swing Keel.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/19/12 at 11:49 am to faxis
Post whatever and whenever you like. But, if you expect non sailing types to understand, appreciate or possibly pursue the hobby. You must avoid all the jargon.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 1:38 pm to faxis
Someone is always holding the main sheet ready to dump it, when/if we start rounding up. I have been on some boats that handle the wind really well. 2 guys beside me have 35-38 Aubergs and they take a 15knot wind with 110 or 130 genoa and the main. The only times I have been on an Island Packet were in light winds, so I didn't get to see her heel over.
I call it the Lariat Chop if a part of your body is underneath the sheet and the traveller and catches the whip action of the sheet...
The sheet always seems to whip my shins when it gets slapped out of the traveller...pisses me off b/c I think it is done on purpose.
I call it the Lariat Chop if a part of your body is underneath the sheet and the traveller and catches the whip action of the sheet...
The sheet always seems to whip my shins when it gets slapped out of the traveller...pisses me off b/c I think it is done on purpose.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:07 pm to NimbleCat
Oh no doubt but when you've got too much headsail up and you don't want to flog it to shreds by dumping it we always try to depower it by flattening the sail while we're in that bad wind unless we're taking it down. Unfortunately if things get really blowing and you absolutely must go upwind that's pinning you down on your side no matter what you're doing with the main. That's what was going on in that pic. I could release the mainsheet and we'd still be heeled over hard but the boat didn't care. She just kept on sailing.
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:12 pm to tigerfoot
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You must avoid all the jargon.
Sheet: the Rope that releases a sail's tension, allows the sail to move to either side of the boat, trims the sail to be more efficient in the wind.
Halyard: the Rope that makes a sail go up or down.
Rounding Up: When the sails have to much wind and it overpowers the boat making it point into the wind. Into the wind equals no power.
Heeled Over: the picture explains it. When the force of the wind pushes the boat off of its axis.
Genoa: another name for the Jib. It is the front sail on the boat.
Main Sail: the sail on the mast and boom, located on center of boat.
Main Sheet: the line/rope on the Main Sail.
Jib Sheet: the line/rope on the Jib/Genoa Sail.
Main Halyard: The line that raises/lowers the main sail.
Roller Furling: The device that the Jib/Genoa is attached to on the bow and top of mast. It allows the Jib to roll up instead of being dropped by a halyard.
Tiller: that is the device that controls the rudder (just like the outboard). I have a wheel. The Aubergs I referenced have tillers.
Weather Helm: this is when the boat is receiving too much wind for the amount of sail it has up. This refers to the characteristic of a boat to turn into the wind if being overpowered by sail/wind.
Traveller: this is what the main sheet is attached to via the boom and allows the Main Sail to move to one side of the boat or another.
This post was edited on 5/19/12 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/19/12 at 2:39 pm to NimbleCat
Yeah that's the problem with sailing. That jargon is there for a reason and if you don't know it, it's like a different language. Hell a ton of English is based on sailing so you'd think it wouldn't be hard to pick up.
So it's hard for non sailors to discuss it without the sailor looking like a condescending arse. Which is a shame because it's a great sport/passtime/lifestyle. It ain't all country clubs and ascots. Those people don't sail anyway.
So it's hard for non sailors to discuss it without the sailor looking like a condescending arse. Which is a shame because it's a great sport/passtime/lifestyle. It ain't all country clubs and ascots. Those people don't sail anyway.
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