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Explain this baseball ruling to me from ATL game yesterday

Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:45 am
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1593 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:45 am
I follow/played a lot of baseball, and I cannot figure out the reasoning for this. In yesterday's ATL game, Mike Minor was charged for an unearned run. This was the scenario:

Top 8th, Minor gets first out and then gives up a double. Venters replaces Minor pitching and gives up a single. This puts runners on first and third. The next batter hits a come backer to the pitcher, and Venters throws home and gets the runner out (the inherited runner/Mike Minor's runner). This mean that Minor is no longer responsible for anyone on base. Later on, Uggla makes an error and allows the hitter that Venters gave up a single to to score (unearned run because with two outs). How is that run charged to Minor when he never even faced that batter?

Here is the MLB play by play
Defensive Substitution:

1.Corey Hart grounds out, shortstop Jack Wilson to first baseman Freddie Freeman.

2.Jonathan Lucroy doubles (1) on a line drive to center fielder Michael Bourn.

Pitcher Change: Jonny Venters replaces Mike Minor, batting 9th.

Coaching visit to mound.

3.Mat Gamel singles on a soft line drive to right fielder Jason Heyward. Jonathan Lucroy to 3rd.

4.Cesar Izturis reaches on a fielder's choice out, pitcher Jonny Venters to catcher Brian McCann. Jonathan Lucroy out at home. Mat Gamel to 2nd.

Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Norichika Aoki replaces Shaun Marcum.

5.Norichika Aoki singles on a ground ball to second baseman Dan Uggla. Mat Gamel scores. Cesar Izturis to 3rd. Throwing error by second baseman Dan Uggla.

6.Rickie Weeks strikes out swinging.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 10:48 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79043 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Norichika Aoki

I didn't realize he had made it over to the US. He was a stud in the World Baseball Classic a few years ago.

To your question, I have no idea, it seems like they screwed up the scoring.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61865 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:54 am to
Could just be a mistake.
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1593 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:54 am to
Kind of what I was thinking. Just confused me because even in an article about last night's game from Brave's beat writer, it mentions Minor gave up an unearned run. I guess he wrote the article solely from the box score.
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
18342 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:55 am to
quote:

How is that run charged to Minor when he never even faced that batter?


It's a strange rule and one that doesn't happen often but it's called a transferable run.

Venters could have made the play elsewhere to get one of his guys, but he went home and got Minors guy. In the process, the runner is transferred to Minor.

Not saying it makes much sense, but that is the rule.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12077 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:55 am to
Because of the fielder's choice. That pitcher got an out, just not the guy that was batting. Since he recorded an out he isn't charged with having any runners on base.

ETA: Swamp donks said it better.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 10:57 am
Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
Member since May 2008
38373 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Because of the fielder's choice.


yep

quote:

Swamp donks said it better.


yep
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:00 am to
Dang, interesting. Learn something every day.
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1593 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:01 am to
Awesome thanks. I appreciate that. I have literally been around baseball my entire life (and kept books before) and did not know that rule.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33214 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Venters could have made the play elsewhere to get one of his guys, but he went home and got Minors guy. In the process, the runner is transferred to Minor.

Wow, I thought I knew all there was to know about baseball rules, I guess you learn something new everyday
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61865 posts
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:05 am to
quote:

It's a strange rule and one that doesn't happen often but it's called a transferable run.

Venters could have made the play elsewhere to get one of his guys, but he went home and got Minors guy. In the process, the runner is transferred to Minor.

Not saying it makes much sense, but that is the rule.

Hm. I learn something new every day.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 11:05 am
Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
Member since May 2008
38373 posts
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:16 pm to
quote:


It's a strange rule and one that doesn't happen often but it's called a transferable run.

Venters could have made the play elsewhere to get one of his guys, but he went home and got Minors guy. In the process, the runner is transferred to Minor.

Not saying it makes much sense, but that is the rule.

Ok
I have a question. Is the run/runner only transferred if the picture makes the fielders choice?

i heard that rule a looooong time ago, but it was for the same exact play... what if the 2nd baseman made the play?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:20 pm to
I don't think it matters who actually throws it.
Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
Member since May 2008
38373 posts
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:21 pm to
ahh
was just wonderin'
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