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re: 70% of supermarket ground beef contains "pink slime"
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:25 pm to townhallsavoy
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:25 pm to townhallsavoy
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No offense, but the only response I can think of is "no shite."
first of all, you asked the question
second of all, if you're not buying pink slime beef, then why does it even matter to you?
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Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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first of all, you asked the question
second of all, if you're not buying pink slime beef, then why does it even matter to you?
The question was rhetorical as I had already said they were putting it in there for profit.
It matters to me because I am an elitist and a snob. For one, I don't trust that there are not adverse effects to treating beef with ammonia or other "pink slime" ingredients. Secondly, because of my own convictions, I would like to help people see it my way as I feel comfortable in my opinion on the matter.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
We all wish it was only ground meat that had stuff like this going on. It's chickens pumped with antibotics, hormones to grow bigger, faster. It's cattle pumped with antibotics and hormones so they can survive long enough cramped in close quarters to be fattened and slaughtered.
E-Coli should never exist but because we are raising cattle in close quarters, feeding them corn instead of grass, our kids run the risk of dying from eating a freaking Happy Meal.....not worth it to me.
Like I said, we are damned near vegetarians now.....it's been a gradual process over the last 4 years or so. But feeding my kids this crap is not an option.
Nevermind the studies that have proven without a doubt that a diet high in meat protein causes cancer.
I'm not a liberal hippie either.....I'm a hard core conservative. 4 years ago I was overweight, ate wayyyyy too much junk, hamburgers, Taco Bell.
E-Coli should never exist but because we are raising cattle in close quarters, feeding them corn instead of grass, our kids run the risk of dying from eating a freaking Happy Meal.....not worth it to me.
Like I said, we are damned near vegetarians now.....it's been a gradual process over the last 4 years or so. But feeding my kids this crap is not an option.
Nevermind the studies that have proven without a doubt that a diet high in meat protein causes cancer.
I'm not a liberal hippie either.....I'm a hard core conservative. 4 years ago I was overweight, ate wayyyyy too much junk, hamburgers, Taco Bell.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:36 pm to simbo
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Nevermind the studies that have proven without a doubt that a diet high in meat protein causes cancer.
This might be the most ludicrous and absurd thing I've heard in a long, long time.
I guess all of our ancestors that couldn't make carbohydrate foods were dying of cancer this whole time!!!
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:37 pm to townhallsavoy
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I don't trust that there are not adverse effects to treating beef with ammonia or other "pink slime" ingredients.
if you're not eating it, then why does it matter to you?
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Secondly, because of my own convictions, I would like to help people see it my way as I feel comfortable in my opinion on the matter.
but your convictions and opinion aren't really based in facts, outside of identification
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:38 pm to simbo
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It's chickens pumped with antibotics, hormones to grow bigger, faster. It's cattle pumped with antibotics and hormones so they can survive long enough cramped in close quarters to be fattened and slaughtered.
and it's so horrible for us that we're living shorter than we did a generation ago
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Nevermind the studies that have proven without a doubt that a diet high in meat protein causes cancer.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but your convictions and opinion aren't really based in facts, outside of identification
What facts are available? And whose facts should be trusted?
Companies producing pink slime burgers can easily fund a company to produce results favoring their product. The other extreme could easily produce results saying pink slime burgers are bad for you.
I'd rather start with common sense rather than waiting on someone else to tell me how I should think. It's not too hard to see that ammonia is not a member of the food plate.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:51 pm to Hulkklogan
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This might be the most ludicrous and absurd thing I've heard in a long, long time.
It's called books. May want to check it out. Thanks.
https://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php
The largest cancer study ever....
LINK
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:51 pm to simbo
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Nevermind the studies that have proven without a doubt that a diet high in meat protein causes cancer.
Correlation =/= causation
None of our patient H&P's, or epidemiological studies, ask about your lifetime ingestion or exposure to high protein meats.
It's not, by any means, an accepted conclusion.
Not saying it's impossible, just that it hasn't been proven enough to consider it when evaluating a patients cancer.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:52 pm to townhallsavoy
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I'd rather start with common sense
common sense is often wrong, especially with people who believe in their own powers of perception
like you said you're an elitist. i bet you think your pallatte is refined and things like wine tasting are legit
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:55 pm to simbo
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It's called books. May want to check it out. Thanks.
as if books with studies showing all sorts of other things cause cancer don't exist
i'm also pretty sure the AICR is a big vegetarian organization. that adds a bit of bias
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:56 pm to simbo
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LINK
That's interesting, yet I find it strange that I can't find a similar, reproducable study in pubmed.
It's the obesity and overall lifestyle of meat eaters (as compared to vegs) that are the risk factors. The grilling fo the meat is also a factor, but you don't have to cook it that way.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:56 pm to simbo
All that article does is list a bunch of correlations with no proof. If that was all we needed for proof, then global warming would be caused by a lack of pirates!
a bit?
I've had to hear a lot of dumb shite since I've started a low carb lifestyle, but this takes the cake.
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that adds a bit of bias
a bit?
I've had to hear a lot of dumb shite since I've started a low carb lifestyle, but this takes the cake.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:57 pm to MSMHater
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Not saying it's impossible, just that it hasn't been proven enough to consider it when evaluating a patients cancer.
It has been proven. The largest cancer cause study ever showed a direct correlation between animal protein and all types of cancers and diseases.
You think the 1000% rise in cancer rates in the US the last 100 years is genetics or chance? It's our diet.
LINK
DR.'s all around the world support the studies and claims.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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common sense is often wrong, especially with people who believe in their own powers of perception
Link?
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like you said you're an elitist. i bet you think your pallatte is refined and things like wine tasting are legit
I bet there's a fancy name for that fallacy.
But wine tasting is bullshite. For a while I thought the descriptions of wines were including ingredients. "Fruity red grape with a pear undertone and a cat piss finish." No one can detect that in a drink.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:58 pm to simbo
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You think the 1000% rise in cancer rates in the US the last 100 years is genetics or chance? It's our diet.
In the last 100 years we've increased carbohydrate consumption more than anything else.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:59 pm to MSMHater
I 'd say it's a bit deceptive since Walmart last I looked made up the vast majority of the supermarket industry.
NOT that I doubt the huge fail that is our meat industry, as that's why I make sure my grocery store grinds their own meat on site, but it's worth mentioning juat how dominant Walmart truly is in the grocery store business.
NOT that I doubt the huge fail that is our meat industry, as that's why I make sure my grocery store grinds their own meat on site, but it's worth mentioning juat how dominant Walmart truly is in the grocery store business.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:00 pm to simbo
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You think the 1000% rise in cancer rates in the US the last 100 years is genetics or chance? It's our diet.
So what do you attribute the decrease in rates of the big 6 (brain, lung, colon, breast, gyn, pancreas) over the last decade?
oral cancer (secondary to HPV) and thyroid cancer (secondary to environmental exposures) are the anomolies. They are still increasing.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:01 pm to simbo
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DR.'s all around the world support the studies and claims
Then why can't I find PI's all over the world with similar published studies? Just the book you linked.
I found this...
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Processed meat intake may be involved in the etiology of colorectal cancer, a major cause of death in affluent countries. The epidemiologic studies published to date conclude that the excess risk in the highest category of processed meat-eaters is comprised between 20% and 50% compared with non-eaters. In addition, the excess risk per gram of intake is clearly higher than that of fresh red meat. Several hypotheses, which are mainly based on studies carried out on red meat, may explain why processed meat intake is linked to cancer risk
And this...
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However, the risk of developing CRC is well recognised to be associated not only with diet but also with obesity and lack of exercise. While epidemiological evidence shows an association with factors such as high red meat intake and low intake of vegetables, fibre and fish,
And this...
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Consumption of traditional soups, meat, salted and dried fish, cold cuts and seasoned cheeses, as well as the intake of animal proteins and nitrites were related to an increased GC risk. On the contrary consumption of fresh fruit, citrus fruit, raw vegetables, spices, garlic and olive oil, and vitamin C, E and beta-carotene intake were found to be protective factors.
In other words, most published data indicates an increased risk of cancer from the overall diet, not just meat ingestion. High levels of meat ingestion, combined with preventative factors like fish, vegs, fruit, doesn't equal an increased cancer risk.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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as if books with studies showing all sorts of other things cause cancer don't exist
i'm also pretty sure the AICR is a big vegetarian organization. that adds a bit of bias
there are indeed studies that show that countries with low meat diets have less cancer. But, those studies do not consider many other factors. Studies showing Greece is one of the healthiest countries in the world don't take into account that a large portion of Greek Orthodox followers fast for over 100 days a year. These studies also throw out countries that contradict their findings as outliers. Do these studies compare the amount of sugar consumption? Does it take into account the differences between fat people and fit people?
These studies have been proven to be a farce many times. Just look them up.
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