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Catch 22 in QB Saga? JJ vs Mett

Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:40 am
Posted by tigerprl
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:40 am
Assuming the coaches are gonna play the QB that gives us best chance to win.
Which i think is a correct assumption.
Obviously coaches think JJ better than JL since they play JJ.
So how is it that JJ is better than Mett?
We all see JJ struggle with lack of passing skills and defensive reads.
So if the premise that coaches are going to play the best QB does that then not
mean that they honestly believe JJ is better QB than Met?
That's the catch 22 for me, Mett is not a green freshman he played a year in juco and has been in program for a year.
So even though he has not seen much game time as a tiger, he has as a juco QB
At this stage he has had a whole season to have learned the system
What then is Mett's weakness real or perceived that make him less talented the JJ
If this is so, next season may not be as wonderful as many have predicted.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7732 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:41 am to
shhhhh ... Mett is starting against Bama.
Posted by tigerprl
DFW
Member since Dec 2010
1278 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:43 am to
Is he going to be a line backer?
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:43 am to
quote:

What then is Mett's weakness real or perceived that make him less talented the JJ

JJ told Miles that he'd kick Mett upside the head repeatedly if he didn't start.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:45 am to
Good god!
Posted by kevlanmei
New Taipei City (Tamsui)
Member since Jul 2011
975 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:45 am to
Perhaps it's not about any perceived limitations in Mettenberger's game - but instead Kragthorpe (et al) feeling that Jefferson simply gives our team the best chance to succeed.

I completely agree with them.

People like to point out how pathetic Jefferson's stats were in the SECCG. but they conveniently overlook that evenincluding those putrid numbers against Georgia, Jefferson still had a very solid year throwing the football (if he had enough passes to qualify, he would have been the #1 passer in the SEC - ahead of Tyler Wilson and Aaron Murray).

Peope see what they want to see...
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:46 am to
Good post.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216507 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Assuming the coaches are gonna play the QB that gives us best chance to win.
Which i think is a correct assumption.
Obviously coaches think JJ better than JL since they play JJ.
So how is it that JJ is better than Mett?
We all see JJ struggle with lack of passing skills and defensive reads.
So if the premise that coaches are going to play the best QB does that then not
mean that they honestly believe JJ is better QB than Met?
That's the catch 22 for me, Mett is not a green freshman he played a year in juco and has been in program for a year.
So even though he has not seen much game time as a tiger, he has as a juco QB
At this stage he has had a whole season to have learned the system
What then is Mett's weakness real or perceived that make him less talented the JJ
If this is so, next season may not be as wonderful as many have predicted.



There is ALOT of fail here. Just sayin.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:49 am to
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People see what they want to see.


Truest statement ever posted here.


Also, there is no dilemma. JJ will start and play every significant snap 1/9.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15083 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:51 am to
ehhh
Posted by RollTigersRoll
Member since Sep 2011
805 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 10:58 am to
Posted by tigerprl
DFW
Member since Dec 2010
1278 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:07 am to
"Kragthorpe (et al) feeling that Jefferson simply gives our team the best chance to succeed."

I get that the coaches feel that way. I said so in original post What my question is? Why?

Objective explanation is what i am looking for.

Does JJ grade out better than Mett in practice. Is his arm more accurate or stronger. Does JJ have better pocket sense? Does JJ make better reads ie pick up blitz find uncovered reciver. Does JJ have touch in his passes placing them where reciver has best chance to make yards after reception?

Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:33 am to
Body of work...that is why JJ is the starter. Straight from Miles' mouth.
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:35 am to
What's that even mean?
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:38 am to
That's a Milesism...That is what he said as to why JJ would be the starter. Mett's a better passer, but JJ starts due to body of work.
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:40 am to
Well the body of work comes to an anticipated by many conclusion, in about a week.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23490 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:43 am to
Mett hasn't played enough in easy FBS games to just throw him in against an elite opponent IMO. He might be more talented, but I am sure they feel more comfortable with the JJ offense than an unknown going into this game.

Also we have experienced two past successes against Bama leaning on the JJ offense. Next year after Mett gets to warm up against some weaker opponents I think the offense will be very solid against elite SEC defenses.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3088 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:47 am to
What I always understood the problem to be was that Mett simply has not fully grasped the playbook. This was Miles' reason for not starting him and leaving JJ in.
By now I'm sure Mett gets the playbook, but JJ is still in there due to his experience is what I'm assuming. Also the fact that he is a good runner helps him tremendously.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I get that the coaches feel that way. I said so in original post What my question is? Why?

Objective explanation is what i am looking for.

Does JJ grade out better than Mett in practice. Is his arm more accurate or stronger. Does JJ have better pocket sense? Does JJ make better reads ie pick up blitz find uncovered reciver. Does JJ have touch in his passes placing them where reciver has best chance to make yards after reception?


Are you honestly asking this question, because I have to say I don't think you are.

Ok...let's try it like this. Clearly Miles and staff think JJ gives LSU the best chance of winning. So...what if it's precisely because of the reasons you listed? What if they think he IS better in those qualities you listed? What if it's some of those, but a multitude of others not listed?

Then what? Are you and others going to say, "Ok...fine." Or will you then simply openly disagree with the assessment?

The point I'm making is that there is no reason the staff could give for why they feel JJ gives LSU the best chance to win that would placate some if our fans. Clearly they have reasons, unless you are suggesting they are purposefully picking the guy they think gives LSU the lesser chance of success. Are there any that would make you ok with their decision, or would you disagree with it regardless?

Posted by tigerprl
DFW
Member since Dec 2010
1278 posts
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:52 am to
I don't quite get it either. I just want to win. i don't really care what face is on the QB, i want the guy who has the best ability to pull off a win and put another cryatal in our closet. No doubt with the coaches JJ is the guy, guess we don't really have objective stats to confirm must then be subjective "body of work" thing. Guess thats why i am a fan and not a coach. My best guess is that since they are with them every day Miles gut tells him JJ da man. Time will tell but i don't argue with success 13-0 says it all.
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