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re: Why is Betty Draper (Mad Men) such a cnut?

Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Prodigal Tiger
Upper West Side, New York City
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:42 am to
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Mad Men

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poorly written.


Today marks the first time these four words have appeared in a sentence.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:45 am to
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Today marks the first time these four words have appeared in a sentence.


Well, I love the show, but I do feel it is quite uneven at times. e.g. they seem to have a lot of moments where you almost feel like a horror-movie type of moment is coming and then it just passes as if nothing at all happened. Best example I can think of is when the grandpa was living in the attic and they seemed like they were briefly hinting that he was molesting the daughter, but you know, he wasn't.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:16 am to
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when the grandpa was living in the attic and they seemed like they were briefly hinting that he was molesting the daughter, but you know, he wasn't.


WHAT? Where did you get that?
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 10:17 am to
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WHAT? Where did you get that?


There was a scene. I've had this discussion with several people who had the same takeaway. They also make the storyline with that neighbor kid so fricking creepy. Just weird.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 1:25 pm to
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There was a scene. I've had this discussion with several people who had the same takeaway.


I'd love to know what scene that was.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 1:47 pm to
I'm sure it's not hard to find the episode. It's not like the grandad lived in the attic for very long.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 1:50 pm to
I just recently watched the Gene episodes, and didn't see anything but him treating Sally like a queen.

And I'm pretty sure he wasn't in the attic. They converted that room into a nursery for baby Gene.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 1:56 pm to
The episode - Chrysanthemum and the Sword hints at possible molestation of Sally by the grandfather and the requisite guilt by Betty for allowing her father to live with them - it tends to be leading to that when Sally cuts her hair and is caught masturbating and Betty flips out and wants to cut her fingers off and they both go see the psychiatrist. The inference is that Betty herself knows what her Dad is capable of and has repressed it - flashback to an earlier episode when the Dad grabbed Betty's chest in a sexual manner (albeit confused.) Sally was later angry at the Grandfather passing and was way to sexually aware at age 10.

It's all conjecture and it never panned out - but a lot of people thought that is where they were heading in that direction to explain some of Betty's problems.

But I also think that's part of the genius of Mad Men - like life, they don't spell it out but leave it up in the air - untidy but there.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 1:59 pm to
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I just recently watched the Gene episodes, and didn't see anything but him treating Sally like a queen.


I guess you didn't watch close enough.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 2:08 pm to
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I guess you didn't watch close enough.


Give it a rest.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 2:18 pm to
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Give it a rest.


Oh please. Just nut up. You kept demanding HOW and WHERE I got such crazy information. Now you know. The problem was on your side.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36008 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 2:37 pm to
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Oh please. Just nut up. You kept demanding HOW and WHERE I got such crazy information. Now you know. The problem was on your side.


Kept demanding? I said I'd love to know which episodes you were referring to. Once.

Someone else was nice enough share the info without being a dick about it.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 4:00 pm to
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And I'm pretty sure he wasn't in the attic.


Was it really not the attic? I always thought it was.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36008 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 5:44 pm to
Don kept casually walking past the doorway, so it didn't seem like an attic. And they made a point of saying that the baby's room was Gene's old room.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 5:59 pm to
Doesn't it look kind of like a storage area, though? It could be one of those attics that's just on the top floor with the other rooms.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/9/11 at 6:15 pm to
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WHAT? Where did you get that?


Got the same impression of Grandpa and Sally. And then you have Glen, and then you have the father of the baby drama that could blow up anytime... Yea the potential blow up storylines that they scatter along the way does give the show a strange underlining feel. I guess it helps emphasize that these guys (and gals) live a lifestyle that is a ticking time bomb.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38449 posts
Posted on 9/9/11 at 9:05 pm to
Agree with the obvious sexual abuse undertones. The story between Betty and Glen has some SERIOUS undertones as well. That was just odd. It lays the groundwork from a possible directing the writers can pursue like they did with Sopranos. I doubt most will ever materialize.

My favorite episode still has to be the one where the drunk secretary mows off the Brits foot in the office.
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