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re: LSU Wins / Losses

Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:38 pm to
Posted by joechristoppher77
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:38 pm to
If you know pure math and stat as its intended you'd know what you are trying to do would be thrown out in any business for a multitude of reasons... Sometimes when one tries to appear intelligent their ignorance shines through to those who really know what is going on, and I do not have the time and do not care to educate you on this. Math and stat are what I do you can't tell me anything I don't know on either paradigm. Time to kill this thread/// its a bit self indulgent and rediculous... sorry, but thats how I see it
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:41 pm to
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sorry, but thats how I see it


you know what they say about opinions.

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Math and stat are what I do you can't tell me anything I don't know on either paradigm.


It's what I do also....
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 4:58 pm to
CptBengal - you don't have a statistical argument.

Using your math, Real Estate can only go up. You should go make some investments with brilliance like that.
Posted by WacoTiger
Waco, Texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:03 pm to
Under the command of Nick Saban while at LSU....our win/loss trend for 2003-2004 had a slope of -2.0.

That meant on average in any season Nick Saban would lose 2.0 more games than the year before. Discuss.

BTW: This is a FACT.

BTW: Les Miles' Slope is better than Saban's Slope. Discuss.

Posted by Earl Long
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:07 pm to
This time of year is so boring people are now arguing about math. Wow.
Posted by Quigley
Down Under
Member since Jul 2009
4007 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:19 pm to
Slopes, excel, regression wtf is going on in here?
Posted by big70
Member since Feb 2006
486 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:28 pm to
If you include his predecessors last year wouldnt the win slope be a ~+1. It funny how statistics can be made to prove what you want isnt it?
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:33 pm to
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Under the command of Nick Saban while at LSU....our win/loss trend for 2003-2004 had a slope of -2.0.

That meant on average in any season Nick Saban would lose 2.0 more games than the year before. Discuss.


I love the stupid... actually Saban under the years he was here had a positive slope of 0.5. I hadn't even thought to look at that.

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BTW: Les Miles' Slope is better than Saban's Slope. Discuss.


That's a negative ghostrider.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:35 pm to
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CptBengal - you don't have a statistical argument.

Using your math, Real Estate can only go up. You should go make some investments with brilliance like that.



the support for the distribution in question is Miles tenure at LSU. Your analogy is specious.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 5:38 pm to
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If you include his predecessors last year wouldnt the win slope be a ~+1. It funny how statistics can be made to prove what you want isnt it?


Actually it's a negative 0.2 when you include the last year of his predecessor. Seems like you're wrong here too.

This post was edited on 5/5/10 at 5:40 pm
Posted by WacoTiger
Waco, Texas
Member since Nov 2003
3664 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:22 pm to
See how stupid you are - I said "2003-2004" seasons and the slope for those 2 seasons would be a -2.0. I thought you were a math major! Apparently, you don't read emails very closely and slope statistics don't lie, right? You have now lost all credibility in this discussion.

Discuss.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36896 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 12:31 am to
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I do the calculus




right there is why you are an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 12:52 am
Posted by jcook21
LA
Member since Jan 2009
314 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 9:23 am to
Your math is wrong

11-2 11-2 12-2 8-5 9-4

Only one decrease and two increases, I think the slope you found is the standard deviation anyway.
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:31 am to
This particular statistic has absolutely zero meaning when trying to predict the future.

If you are so confident, try using the formula to buy stocks. In 1999, you would have bought Lucent, JDS Uniphase and Enron. In 2001, you would have been broke. In 2008, you would have bought Lehman Brothers, Wachovia Bank, Goldman Sachs. In 2009, you would be broke.

There's more to predicting the future than past results in the W-L columns.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:36 am to
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This particular statistic has absolutely zero meaning when trying to predict the future.


I'm not predicting the future. The support for the distribution is miles tenure at LSU. Projecting ANY regression outside the support is a flawed methodology.

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There's more to predicting the future than past results in the W-L columns.



I only analyzed the work Miles has done at LSU up to this point. The numbers are irrefutable. What he does in the future is a matter of speculation and opinion, both of which contain zero fact.

Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:40 am to
For a visual representation, it should look like this (tilted vertically since TD.com doesn't let you position things along the line of type with lots of spaces):

LL
LL
LL
LLLLL
LLLL

For wins:

WWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWW

The trend is pretty flat with the exception of the huge dropoff in wins and increase in losses from 2007 to 2008.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:45 am to
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he trend is pretty flat with the exception of the huge dropoff in wins and increase in losses from 2007 to 2008.




the solution to the slope in the regression is what it is. I didn't manufacture the numbers or make them up. The slope is -0.7. Kinda flat, or whatever, are subjective terms. I don't care who you give the numbers to, they will all get the same answer of -0.7, sorry to get everyone's panties in a wad...it's just a fact.
Posted by Dallasgrowl
Allen, Texas
Member since Oct 2003
7000 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:51 am to
After you have stated it again and again, I can see that we are dealing with a brilliant mathematician. Thanks for your amazing insight and number crunching capabilities. Keep up the good work and when we need someone with your incredible abilities, we will look you up.

Now F off.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:54 am to
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LSU Wins / Losses
After you have stated it again and again, I can see that we are dealing with a brilliant mathematician. Thanks for your amazing insight and number crunching capabilities. Keep up the good work and when we need someone with your incredible abilities, we will look you up.

Now F off.


Ah yes attack the messenger when you can't counter the argument. I'll still say hi to you when I walk in walmart later though!
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 11:55 am to
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The trend is pretty flat with the exception of the huge dropoff in wins and increase in losses from 2007 to 2008


Nuts, should LSU go 10-2 or better in 2010.. and let's not debate the possibility of this... your opinion on the "slope?"
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