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Why is the LSU job's prestige so polarizing?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:18 pm
You've got people out there who think it's easily a top 5 job with no in-state competition and the top per capita NFL talent producing to recruit in.
Then you have those who say basically LSU is only good because of what Saban built and Miles quasi-maintained. Mixed in with it's a tough job since you have to play Bama every year.
Don't know that I've ever seen a job with opinions so far all over the place. Some saying right behind USC & Texas and then others throwing it out there with Va. Tech and Arizona State (albeit taken from SECr
).
What gives?
Then you have those who say basically LSU is only good because of what Saban built and Miles quasi-maintained. Mixed in with it's a tough job since you have to play Bama every year.
Don't know that I've ever seen a job with opinions so far all over the place. Some saying right behind USC & Texas and then others throwing it out there with Va. Tech and Arizona State (albeit taken from SECr
). What gives?
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:19 pm to okietiger
Louisiana politics
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:20 pm to okietiger
pretty sure you can't find one sane individual who doesn't think lsu is a top 5-10 job. It's really not debatable.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:21 pm to beardedzeus
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pretty sure you can't find one sane individual who doesn't think lsu is a top 5-10 job. It's really not debatable.
I've seen plenty of people debate it. OU fans I'm around think it's a step down from OU (wut). Go look at the thread over in the SECr (I know, I know). But still.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:22 pm to okietiger
well Pollack, Galloway and Finebaum, all just said on CFB live that it's a top 5 job, and all said it's a better job than USC.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Finebaum said that? Wow.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:23 pm to okietiger
Are there 10 or more active head coaches in college FB that LSU could NOT go get if they wanted? I dont think so. There is your answer.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:24 pm to okietiger
The main thing is LSU is a bit of a "new money" player -- sort of like Florida -- in the sense that it doesn't necessarily have the old blueblood history/prestige thing. That probably doesn't matter anymore, but older people think it does.
There is also a lot of bickering over LSU's recruiting advantages. I'm in the camp that being the sole power in one of the most talent-rich states after the top three is the number one draw for the school. But, others say there is a ton more available talent in other states, even if it is divided up over several schools. So, they believe that perceived advantage is overstated.
There is also a lot of bickering over LSU's recruiting advantages. I'm in the camp that being the sole power in one of the most talent-rich states after the top three is the number one draw for the school. But, others say there is a ton more available talent in other states, even if it is divided up over several schools. So, they believe that perceived advantage is overstated.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:27 pm to okietiger
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the top per capita NFL talent producing to recruit in.
No longer the case.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:28 pm to okietiger
For many the late 80s and 90s are their earliest memories of college football. For every fan of opposing teams that ask LSU fans, "Did LSU football exist before 2000?" the same reply to them should be, "Do you know how many games LSU won from the 50s through the mid 70s?" Not to mention LSU won two SEC titles sandwiched between some really awful years in the 80s. As another poster pointed out, Louisiana politics got in the way in the 80s and 90s and prevented LSU from staying a top performing football team. When Mark Emmert entered as school chancellor and hired Nick Saban, it was shown to everyone around the country what could happen when LSU committed itself to excellence.
Honestly, does anyone really think that Les Miles would have won big at most other schools? No chance.
Honestly, does anyone really think that Les Miles would have won big at most other schools? No chance.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:29 pm to okietiger
For a generation LSU struggled to even be above average and most sports writers are intellectually lazy and nostalgic (which is why they invariably wax poetic about Notre Dame).
The Florida comparison is apt
The Florida comparison is apt
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:32 pm to okietiger
The retards on the sec rant think Nebraska, Miami, Penn St and Texas A&M are better gigs
Lol
Lol
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:34 pm to okietiger
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Why is the LSU job's prestige so polarizing?
LSU pre Saban/Miles isn't a historically elite program but now they have the built in advantages + expectations of a top 5 program. LSU's Win% without Les + Saban wouldn't even crack the top 25
LSU just fired hte guy with 5 top 10 finishes in both AP/Coaches. Before Miles, LSU only had 6 top 10 finishes in both polls.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:36 pm to okietiger
LSU is a top 10 job. Only a retard would argue. But it is not top 5, or clearly better than FSU, UTk, UGA, or AU. LSU has the worst AD in the SEC, and is at the bottom in terms of academics. But to say it is Top 20 is redic. I would come and coach LSU tomorrow if that dumbass AD of yours would hire me.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:39 pm to AUCE05
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clearly better than FSU, UTk, UGA, or AU.
LSU is clearly better than UTk & AU due solely to recruiting advantages. Take out advantage of LA/TX recruiting pipelines though and LSU doesn't belong in that group
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LSU has the worst AD in the SEC
As an Auburn fan, I find it funny you say Alleva is worse than Jacobs.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:40 pm to AUCE05
GTFO with UTk or AU. You want to make a case that it is on par with FSU or UGA, fine. I disagree, but I can accept that. I think Texas is 1; LSU, USC, OSU, and Bama are about on the same plane of 2-5. Then, you get your Mich, FSU, UGA type schools to round out the top 10.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:40 pm to okietiger
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Don't know that I've ever seen a job with opinions so far all over the place. Some saying right behind USC & Texas and then others throwing it out there with Va. Tech and Arizona State
There are people voting for Hilary
And people voting for Trump.
There are people who know what's up and people who have their heads up their asses.
Saban was a coach with an NFL background but moderate success at MSU. He came to LSU and became the best coach in the country.
Les Miles, goofy as he is, won 112 games here.
There are more LSU players in the NFL than any other teams 3 years running. Let that sink in.
The burden of proof that Texas or USC is a better job than LSU is on you.
I'd say The Coliseum is a shitty place to watch a football game with no gameday atmosphere. Texas is not in the SEC--and if you want to be the best that's where you coach.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:41 pm to GenesChin
The only people who think either Tennessee or Auburn are better jobs are fans of those schools
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:43 pm to GenesChin
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LSU isn't a historically elite program
excuse me? were you even alive in 1956-1979? that's one of the more stupid statements ever posted on this board
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:44 pm to GenesChin
AU isn't even a top 10 job lol
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