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re: Thurs UM-Miles Thread: KEEP ALL DISCUSSION HERE
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:38 am to TigahRag
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:38 am to TigahRag
Trex quit sharing your mindless thoughts. Inbreds live in West Virginia, not here. Saban knew he f*cked up the second he left for Miami. His only way back in the door of the SEC was to take the first opening, which happened to be the crappy Alabama job. Now he is just letting the chips fall in place, and recapturing his former job.
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:43 am to ricklsu
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Saban knew he f*cked up the second he left for Miami.
you mean the second he watched daunte culpepper's first game in a dolphins uniform while drew brees was on his way to an MVP season .. nick picks brees over culpepper and we aren't even having this conversation ...
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:51 am to ricklsu
I have heard that Louisiana has a deep culture of corruption, and this thread illustrates its corrosive effect.
You guys seem to believe that there is is vast, subrosa conspiracy to bring Miles to Michigan, and that the 'deal is already done'.
I prefer to take the principal players at their words, unless and until they demonstrate the unreliability of that word.
Here is my take:
1. Bill Martin (Michigan's AD) commenced the search in earnest last Monday by hiring a search firm. He developed a list of about 20 names, and tasked the search firm to perform background checks (for DUIs, poor credit, and the like).
2. Martin also stated that he would follow protocol, and obtain permission before speaking to any candidate.
3. He also SPECIFICALLY stated that he would not interfere with any coaches opportunity for a championship (obviously referring to Miles).
This I believe that, while there have no doubt been discussions between Michigan representatives and Miles' agent, that there have been no discussions between Miles and any legitimate representative of Michigan.
4. Martin recently requested (and received) permission to speak with Miles, with the understanding that he would wait until after Saturday's game. HE HAS NOT YET CALLED MILES.
There is no deal. the has not even been one direct telephone conversation between Martin and Miles.
"The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine"
You guys seem to believe that there is is vast, subrosa conspiracy to bring Miles to Michigan, and that the 'deal is already done'.
I prefer to take the principal players at their words, unless and until they demonstrate the unreliability of that word.
Here is my take:
1. Bill Martin (Michigan's AD) commenced the search in earnest last Monday by hiring a search firm. He developed a list of about 20 names, and tasked the search firm to perform background checks (for DUIs, poor credit, and the like).
2. Martin also stated that he would follow protocol, and obtain permission before speaking to any candidate.
3. He also SPECIFICALLY stated that he would not interfere with any coaches opportunity for a championship (obviously referring to Miles).
This I believe that, while there have no doubt been discussions between Michigan representatives and Miles' agent, that there have been no discussions between Miles and any legitimate representative of Michigan.
4. Martin recently requested (and received) permission to speak with Miles, with the understanding that he would wait until after Saturday's game. HE HAS NOT YET CALLED MILES.
There is no deal. the has not even been one direct telephone conversation between Martin and Miles.
"The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine"
This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:57 am to glenn327
we'll talk on monday at around lunchtime ...
Posted on 11/29/07 at 10:58 am to glenn327
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There is no deal. the has not even been one direct telephone conversation between Martin and Miles.
Dude, stop it with the common sense. This board is about hyperbole and exaggeration.
Get with the program, already.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:09 am to glenn327
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You guys seem to believe that there is is vast, subrosa conspiracy to bring Miles to Michigan, and that the 'deal is already done'.
1. Link to the one post on this site that said there was a conspiracy please. We've known all along Miles wanted the job... hence the buyout.
2. Your own people are saying it's a done deal:
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A significant number of people have sent in the same story: there is an old guard at Michigan strongly opposed to Miles' candidacy, while younger folk, big money donors, and those not as closely connected to the current regime support it. I get stuff from people on side A skeptical about Miles' chances; I get stuff from people on side B saying it's done. Like, done-done-done and going to be announced Monday. I lean towards the latter, and expect Miles will be the guy in a few days.
3. Do you oftentimes go on others' boards and attempt to denigrade the entire state?
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:13 am to JVTiger
I remember back when word leaked out that we would be getting Saban from MSU. Our message boards were inundated with Michigan pricks trashing Louisiana and saying Saban would never think of leaving MSU to come to a crappy corrupt state like Louisiana.
Nice to see the arrogance of Michiganites hasn't changed.
Nice to see the arrogance of Michiganites hasn't changed.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:22 am to JVTiger
i am a Michigan fan and I can tell you a couple things.. first of all the Coaching committee met for the first time on Tuesday.. They interviewed the two candidates from Michigan who are qualified for the position first... Miles is obviously our first choice but I can almost guarantee you with about 99% certainty Miles wasn't contacted by ANYONE from the university of Michigan, boosters maybe we can't control the boosters.. but Martin has too much class to contact Miles without first contacting the AD and asking permission..
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:26 am to Trublue
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No way UM calls and RIGHT AWAY LSU grants permission and puts out a press release. Miles knew they called and said they didn't.
Not necessarily. Miles went into practice probably around 3 yesterday afternoon. If Mich called between 3-6 he may not have known unless bonette told him before he met with the press.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:29 am to Trublue
sounds like you guys are starting to get a little nervous about getting stuck with old les .... 
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:32 am to Trublue
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i am a Michigan fan and I can tell you a couple things.
I am an LSU fan and I can tell you a couple things.
Coaches and programs don't begin talks on the first contact between the program and the coach himself. Saban proved that last year with Alabama. UM would look like fools if they made no contact with a coach's agent prior to formally ask to speak with a coach. They'd be asking permission publically all over the place.
I certainly hope and expect that LSU is contacting various coaches' agents and not waiting until after Miles leaves then formally asking a university permission to speak with a coach.
That's just plain dumb.
Let's see... December 4 LSU asks USC for permission to speak with SOS... Coach, want the job. SOS: No.
December 5 LSU asks Alabama for permission...
You get the point. It would be a public humiliation to search for coaches like that.
This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:38 am to JVTiger
thats done by the company that does the background checks.. I am sure they do a background check and call the coach in question and ask if he would be interested in the position.. I am sure Miles wasn't asked if he would be interested. Did we really need to ask if he was interested when everyone in the world knows hes interested?
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:38 am to denvertiger
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Dude, stop it with the common sense. This board is about hyperbole and exaggeration.
Get with the program, already
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Hell yeah. This site is so entertaining with all the "I know this" and "even though I have no proof, I'm right". The rumor mill should be getting overtime pay!
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Dude, stop it with the common sense. This board is about hyperbole and exaggeration.
Get with the program, already
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Hell yeah. This site is so entertaining with all the "I know this" and "even though I have no proof, I'm right". The rumor mill should be getting overtime pay!
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:40 am to JVTiger
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You get the point. It would be a public humiliation to search for coaches like that
Hope you are prepared to endure just that. Public humiliation on Saturday afternoon, followed by more doses of the same over the next several weeks.....
Posted on 11/29/07 at 11:44 am to JVTiger
I fixed it for when we hire Saban
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A significant number of people have sent in the same story: there is an old guard at LSU strongly opposed to Saban's candidacy, while younger folk, big money donors, and those not as closely connected to the current regime support it. I get stuff from people on side A skeptical about Saban'schances; I get stuff from people on side B saying it's done. Like, done-done-done and going to be announced Monday. I lean towards the latter, and expect Saban's will be the guy in a few days.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:16 pm to BoogahEatah
All you have to do is look to the most recent event. There is NO way Ole Miss and Nutt's agent got a muti million dollar contract done in two days. Michigan has been talking with Les Miles's agent and you can bank that. They are only asking to talk now to do the final (Show Face) part. Michagan and Miles's agent already has the figures done. You got to remember - they can't talk to Miles without permission, but his agent can talk to Michagan then he can talk to Miles and it does not break any rules of contact agreements.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:22 pm to JVTiger
Bass, Miles' agent, says Mich has not contacted him (check out his interview in the Detroit Free Press today). Why not? This is not secrect anymore. The agent needs to be involved. Heck LSU got him involved, so why not Mich.?
I profer that Mich asked to speak to Miles to end the specualtion around him and the difficulty it caused the LSU program.
Miles is not the choice, that is why the agent is not involved. It's no assumption that Miles wants to come to Michigan. It is a grand assumption (created by the media -- they do think of themselves as king-makers) that Mich wants Miles.
Lloyd has been ill for some time (Parkinsons) and more than one coach has used that in recruiting. Lloyd and Mich took excpetion to that. One of those was Les Miles. That is the root of the "recruiting trails.." riff that Lloyd referenced in his press conference. Others who used it Lloyd and Mich could forgive, recruiting is a hostile environement, but they would not forgive a Mich Man behaving that way.
Further, there is a large faction at UM that wants to end the Schembechler era. They don't want another coach caretaking that legacy. For them it is time to move on. In their eyes Yost's time ended, as did Crisler's, and so should Bo's. They are quite powerful with the administration. That is why there was no knee-jerk reaction to get Miles when Lloyd announced he was leaving.
The Miles interview is to give him the respect of being considered, but also to tell him to be happy where he is and get on with coaching his team, that Mich is going another direction. This will be done face to face as it will be tough for Miles to hear. That is why no timetable to meet with Miles next week. It is not on the critical path of the real search/selection timeline, which Mich has said is to have this done by the end of Dec.
Look for a surprise selection. Mich's three most respected coaches were not Mich Men. I think they will try to replicate that formula.
I profer that Mich asked to speak to Miles to end the specualtion around him and the difficulty it caused the LSU program.
Miles is not the choice, that is why the agent is not involved. It's no assumption that Miles wants to come to Michigan. It is a grand assumption (created by the media -- they do think of themselves as king-makers) that Mich wants Miles.
Lloyd has been ill for some time (Parkinsons) and more than one coach has used that in recruiting. Lloyd and Mich took excpetion to that. One of those was Les Miles. That is the root of the "recruiting trails.." riff that Lloyd referenced in his press conference. Others who used it Lloyd and Mich could forgive, recruiting is a hostile environement, but they would not forgive a Mich Man behaving that way.
Further, there is a large faction at UM that wants to end the Schembechler era. They don't want another coach caretaking that legacy. For them it is time to move on. In their eyes Yost's time ended, as did Crisler's, and so should Bo's. They are quite powerful with the administration. That is why there was no knee-jerk reaction to get Miles when Lloyd announced he was leaving.
The Miles interview is to give him the respect of being considered, but also to tell him to be happy where he is and get on with coaching his team, that Mich is going another direction. This will be done face to face as it will be tough for Miles to hear. That is why no timetable to meet with Miles next week. It is not on the critical path of the real search/selection timeline, which Mich has said is to have this done by the end of Dec.
Look for a surprise selection. Mich's three most respected coaches were not Mich Men. I think they will try to replicate that formula.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:26 pm to SouthEndzone Tiger
that was a completely different event.. Ole Miss didn't create a search committee or even look at other candidates, they saw a great coach available and probably called him the second he announced he was leaving arkansas..
Why would Michigan form a committee or have background checks on various coaches if they already had a deal in place..?? The first time the committee met was on Tuesday evening, they had a list of candidates who they had checked out by a third party and probably contacted through the third party to gauge interest.. they selected the first choice which was Miles and asked permission to contact him.. theres no conspiracy here no subterfuge.. theres no man behind the curtain its just a legitimate search for a qualified coach..
Why would Michigan form a committee or have background checks on various coaches if they already had a deal in place..?? The first time the committee met was on Tuesday evening, they had a list of candidates who they had checked out by a third party and probably contacted through the third party to gauge interest.. they selected the first choice which was Miles and asked permission to contact him.. theres no conspiracy here no subterfuge.. theres no man behind the curtain its just a legitimate search for a qualified coach..
This post was edited on 11/29/07 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:39 pm to Katy Tiger
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Miles is now going to be forever vilified in LSU sports history as the coach who blew a shot at a MNC because he was more focused on his "dream job" and allowing Pelini to chase his dream job, than he was on preparing the team for the task at hand.
So, what your saying is when Early lined up wrong on the Hester called back touchdown it was because at the moment he was concerned whether les miles was going to be coaching when he came back to campus on his bye week from the NFL.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 1:02 pm to Tiger@heart
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So, what your saying is when Early lined up wrong on the Hester called back touchdown it was because at the moment he was concerned whether les miles was going to be coaching when he came back to campus on his bye week from the NFL.
So, you're saying he wasn't?
Seriously: Do you think that the team was not distracted at all on Friday?
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