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re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:05 pm to Captain Crown
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:05 pm to Captain Crown
doubtful. he is a high-energy guy who is perfect for a downtrodden program who needs an energy injection and better recruiting. huge leap to a major program like LSU (or UT or any of those choices) that have super high pressure from the get go and advanced competition. the 2 programs i listed earlier (Baylor, Oregon) are about as high-profile as i think he's work risking right now.
how many of those positional coaches/recruiters make it as HCs at big programs? Dabo and.....?
how many of those positional coaches/recruiters make it as HCs at big programs? Dabo and.....?
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm a huge fan of fleck
i'm not sure he's ready for a program like LSU
this. love the guy, but he's not ready for something like LSU. Maybe down the road
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:33 pm to Carson123987
I think Fleck is a better risk than Willie Taggert or Larry Fedora
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
no doubt. if we dont get Herman, Jimbo, Petrino, I wouldnt mind him
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:37 pm to Carson123987
How old was Bo Rein when he was hired? Mike Archer was 33 correct?
Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:44 pm to OU812
Rein was 34 I think
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I like Fleck a lot but his type of personality scares me for a job like LSU. The high energy type can be great for getting programs going but can he maintain it? He has that great recruiter type personality but not so much of the CEO type personality lots of big time coaches have. Another reason why I'm not really feeling Orgeron getting the full time job.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
Don't know about PJ, but Bela can play a mean banjo.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:35 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
To me, what he has done is more impressive than herman. Not popular but the truth.
He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
Herman took over a well established program built by Briles, Sumlin, etc. He is in year two. What does Houston look like in year four? can he match the success he's having? I would say it's more likely he does not.
They both stared their career's as wr coaches. PJ has actually played and coached at the n.f.l. level. Herman hasn't.
People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat? was it herman or Meyer that developed a team that beat bama. I'm going to go with Meyer since he did it at two other locations.
When you watch Fleck's interview, sounds a lot like saban. One game, preparing for pressure, bringing outside resources, n.f.l. g.m's to teach and learn, it's about a process, etc.
Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players.
He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
Herman took over a well established program built by Briles, Sumlin, etc. He is in year two. What does Houston look like in year four? can he match the success he's having? I would say it's more likely he does not.
They both stared their career's as wr coaches. PJ has actually played and coached at the n.f.l. level. Herman hasn't.
People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat? was it herman or Meyer that developed a team that beat bama. I'm going to go with Meyer since he did it at two other locations.
When you watch Fleck's interview, sounds a lot like saban. One game, preparing for pressure, bringing outside resources, n.f.l. g.m's to teach and learn, it's about a process, etc.
Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:50 am to dos crystal
one big difference is that Herman has a pretty decent experience as a coordinator
that sounds like a nitpick, but it does show a different level of competency and experience (esp under a coach like Urban). i think fleck had a chance once to be OC and then quit a few days later to go be a positional coach in the NFL
i can't give you an exact formula, but guys going from positional coaches to successful HCs isn't that common
*ETA: urban meyer is a positional coach-HC guy, too. i guess his arc is the most similar to fleck's
that sounds like a nitpick, but it does show a different level of competency and experience (esp under a coach like Urban). i think fleck had a chance once to be OC and then quit a few days later to go be a positional coach in the NFL
i can't give you an exact formula, but guys going from positional coaches to successful HCs isn't that common
*ETA: urban meyer is a positional coach-HC guy, too. i guess his arc is the most similar to fleck's
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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but guys going from positional coaches to successful HCs isn't that common
I can agree with that. However, not sure how many are given the opportunity is the bigger issue.
There are a lot of h.c's given opportunity due to being coordinator's. A large portion has failed. So, how does that quality translate to h.c.? We would need more data of position coaches and coordinator's success/fail rate to determine if one is better than the other.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:04 am to dos crystal
oh like i said, if i am Baylor i go for him hard if he wants to leave the midwest
speaking geographically, if miles doesn't go for PSU and they really want a new change, i think fleck could be a really good option but even that could be a tough jump for him (even though they aren't what they were after all the BS)
if he jumps to a bigger program and does well i can see MSU going for him hard when Dantonio hangs it up. that seems like an almost perfect timeline matchup
speaking geographically, if miles doesn't go for PSU and they really want a new change, i think fleck could be a really good option but even that could be a tough jump for him (even though they aren't what they were after all the BS)
if he jumps to a bigger program and does well i can see MSU going for him hard when Dantonio hangs it up. that seems like an almost perfect timeline matchup
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:09 am to dos crystal
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He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
WMU's turnaround has been impressive, but they haven't reached the top of anything yet.
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People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat?
As an LSU fan, I would hope you remember this...
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Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players
No one has said it's a bad thing. But he's not the only great recruiter out there capable of getting the best talent.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:12 am to nvasil1
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WMU's turnaround has been impressive, but they haven't reached the top of anything yet.
he won a bowl at WMU, which is basically the top for them (they had never won a bowl game before
) pretty sure this is the first 6-0 start for them ever and the first time they have beaten 2, B10 teams
they're ranked for the first time ever right now
i know what you mean but c'mon...he's pretty much at "the top" for that program
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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if he jumps to a bigger program and does well i can see MSU going for him hard when Dantonio hangs it up. that seems like an almost perfect timeline matchup
I think this could be an ideal landing spot for him eventually, depending on how long Dantonio wants to coach.
Given Cincinnati's success with Dantonio, Kelly and Butch following similar paths, they could go after him if Tuberville continues to stagnate.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:17 am to nvasil1
hell i just looked it up and dantonio is only 60. i thought he was more like mid-60s
yeah that may not line up unless he hangs it up for health reasons (but those seem to have passed)
yeah that may not line up unless he hangs it up for health reasons (but those seem to have passed)
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:19 am to PennyPacker
[Let's see would we rather a quirky douchebag or a complete unethical POS (Petrino type)???]
or a psychopathic one like Brian Kelly
or a psychopathic one like Brian Kelly
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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i know what you mean but c'mon...he's pretty much at "the top" for that program
I understand, but like I said in the other Fleck thread, the MAC coaches du jour that have been hired elsewhere have actually played for the conference title with other not-so-great programs.
He has a great shot to do it this year, but I just think we need to pump the brakes here. Fricking Bill Cubit won a decent share of games in Kalamazoo before Fleck got there.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:46 am to nvasil1
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but I just think we need to pump the brakes here.
Pump the breaks on Fleck but pay Herman 7-10 million.
In 2011, The cyclones, with herman as o.c., went 6–7 (3–6 Big 12). Not exactly stellar. I'll give you that they beat Oklahoma state.
I'm just lost as to how "herman" get's credit for beating Alabama and now Okie state as an o.c.? However, Fleck, as a head coach, doesn't get credit for his accomplishments, that hasn't been done before, because he coaches at a MAC school. Very perplexing.
I remember when ralph friedgen was consider the offensive genius at ga tech. It didn't translate to Maryland. Although, he did go 10-2 (coach of the year) and 11-3 his first two years there. Friedgen was Herman before Herman.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Fleck is an interesting coach, but he hasn't had to deal with a serious media presence. He's never had to deal with his players on College GameDay or the effect that kind of thing can have on a locker room / team.
He's never had big league pressure heaped on him. He hasn't had to deal with the kind of money players he'd need to deal with at LSU.
In short, while he's an interesting coaching prospect, I can't say he's anywhere near ready for a program like LSU.
He's never had big league pressure heaped on him. He hasn't had to deal with the kind of money players he'd need to deal with at LSU.
In short, while he's an interesting coaching prospect, I can't say he's anywhere near ready for a program like LSU.
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