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O Look, another Orgeron Thread...
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:07 pm
This guy hasn't even coached a game at LSU, and there is all this "hire him" and "don't hire him" talk.
There will be no decision made now, or in the next few months. We all know that a decision will not come until December or even later.
Yet, everyone is, in one way or another, setting themselves up for major disappointment.
The season needs to play out. A lot can happen in the next 3 months. Hell, we have reports now that Alleva may get fired, which throws a whole new wrench in the gears if it comes to fruition.
LSU needs the best coach it can get. Whether that be an outsider or the man temporarily in the seat has yet to be seen. Offensive or defensive minded does not matter. He needs to have a clear vision for the team, and the coaching staff to execute it.
There will be no decision made now, or in the next few months. We all know that a decision will not come until December or even later.
Yet, everyone is, in one way or another, setting themselves up for major disappointment.
The season needs to play out. A lot can happen in the next 3 months. Hell, we have reports now that Alleva may get fired, which throws a whole new wrench in the gears if it comes to fruition.
LSU needs the best coach it can get. Whether that be an outsider or the man temporarily in the seat has yet to be seen. Offensive or defensive minded does not matter. He needs to have a clear vision for the team, and the coaching staff to execute it.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:13 pm to Cowboyfan89
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This guy hasn't even coached a game at LSU, and there is all this "hire him" and "don't hire him" talk.
The Rant also wanted Aranda designated Head Coach-in-Waiting a few months ago, before he coached a single down for us and in spite of the fact he's never been a head coach anywhere.
The nonsense on this board is astounding.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:15 pm to Cowboyfan89
Wow, you would think this is a LSU sport related site and LSU had a head coaching vacancy.... huh
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
He has a 8 game audition to prove what kind of coach he can be. In 2 months we will know.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:24 pm to 0
Yet, half of the rantards don't even want to consider it an audition. They just want to write the guy off for what happened at OLE MISS 10 YEARS AGO!!
But hell, our top candidate is a guy that has been around for a few years and hasn't done anything compared to the Jimbos, Sabans, and Meyers of the world, other than coach the Ohio State offense for a few years and get a couple of big wins at Houston. Those wheels could fall off the bus in 3 weeks for all we know (unlikely, but this is college football). No freaking clue, but yeah, he is definitely THE GUY.
I just don't get this fanbase sometimes.
But hell, our top candidate is a guy that has been around for a few years and hasn't done anything compared to the Jimbos, Sabans, and Meyers of the world, other than coach the Ohio State offense for a few years and get a couple of big wins at Houston. Those wheels could fall off the bus in 3 weeks for all we know (unlikely, but this is college football). No freaking clue, but yeah, he is definitely THE GUY.
I just don't get this fanbase sometimes.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
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But hell, our top candidate is a guy that has been around for a few years and hasn't done anything compared to the Jimbos, Sabans, and Meyers of the world, other than coach the Ohio State offense for a few years and get a couple of big wins at Houston.
Urban Meyer spent 2 years at Bowling Green before jumping to Utah, and then 2 years there before Florida snapped him up.
Saban spent 1 year at Toledo before Michigan State got him.
Spurrier spent 3 years at Duke before Florida got him.
Yes, ideally I'd like a guy that spent 10 years succeeding at a couple different schools, but those guys get gobbled up fast.
The fact that Herman's offense was excellent at Ohio State and then he's got Houston's offense AND defense playing extremely well for two years now is enough data points for me.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:19 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Yet, half of the rantards don't even want to consider it an audition. They just want to write the guy off for what happened at OLE MISS 10 YEARS AGO!!
but fella, he was 3-21 (!!!) in the SEC at Ole Miss. You can't just dismiss that because it was 10 years ago. It's the most relevant data we have on him. It must be considered.
If Coach O wants a big-time HC gig, let him go to a lesser school and earn his HC chops. Then the big boys will come calling. But don't just give him the keys to our program because he has a cool voice and accent.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:29 pm to atltiger6487
quote:I'm not endorsing Orgeron, nor do I want him to be in our top 3 candidates... yet. But you do have to remember, he stepped into a similar situation at USC (not quite the same, since there was even more chaos and the team was just coming off probation), and he handled the job well. That might be more relevant than his Ole Miss gig
but fella, he was 3-21 (!!!) in the SEC at Ole Miss. You can't just dismiss that because it was 10 years ago. It's the most relevant data we have on him. It must be considered.
If Coach O wants a big-time HC gig, let him go to a lesser school and earn his HC chops. Then the big boys will come calling. But don't just give him the keys to our program because he has a cool voice and accent.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:45 pm to atltiger6487
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It's the most relevant data we have on him. It must be considered.
Well, you must be one of those "SEC or bust" guys. I guess him taking the reigns at USC and going 5-2 means nothing?
Don't get me wrong. I don't think he deserves the job because of that. But I'll be damned if half of this fanbase isn't acting like the guy deserves no chance because of his stint 10 YEARS AGO!!
Let the guy coach and see what he does. The stupidity in all of this are the ones that either refuse to give him a chance or think he should be the head coach right now. If this guy somehow pulls off an 8-0 finish, he had better get serious consideration.
Also, that last line was just idiotic. "Don't just give him the job because he has a cool voice".
GTFO
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Well, you must be one of those "SEC or bust" guys. I guess him taking the reigns at USC and going 5-2 means nothing?
SEC or bust? No, not at all.
But the USC interim thing was a band-aid job. He got through that on emotion. Did he do a good job with that - absolutely.
But being the "real" head coach is so much more than that, and that's why his stint at Ole Miss is sooooo much more relevant that half a season at USC.
And remember, I love Coach O.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:25 pm to AnotherRound
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Wow, you would think this is a LSU sport related site and LSU had a head coaching vacancy.... huh
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:34 pm to atltiger6487
Well, I suppose that is fair, even though I disagree.
If he can get 80+ players to ride emotion all season long to a 7-1 finish or better, in the SEC, I don't see how anyone can make the same argument.
And I don't understand what the issue is with emotion. Aren't we learning that this was part of the issue with Miles? He didn't motivate. Do Saban and Meyer not instill emotion in their players? This team has been stale. What they need is emotion.
I just want them to get the right guy, and I don't think tunnel vision is the best thing to have in this situation. I also have very little confidence in Alleva, because he has never had to make a move like this. So far, he's already fricked this up pretty good.
They better get it right. The worst case to me would be Orgeron going 6-2 or better, getting passed over because of the Ole Miss mess, and then someone else picks BeBe up and he goes lights out while we get a dud.
If he can get 80+ players to ride emotion all season long to a 7-1 finish or better, in the SEC, I don't see how anyone can make the same argument.
And I don't understand what the issue is with emotion. Aren't we learning that this was part of the issue with Miles? He didn't motivate. Do Saban and Meyer not instill emotion in their players? This team has been stale. What they need is emotion.
I just want them to get the right guy, and I don't think tunnel vision is the best thing to have in this situation. I also have very little confidence in Alleva, because he has never had to make a move like this. So far, he's already fricked this up pretty good.
They better get it right. The worst case to me would be Orgeron going 6-2 or better, getting passed over because of the Ole Miss mess, and then someone else picks BeBe up and he goes lights out while we get a dud.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:43 pm to Cowboyfan89
The one solid benefit Orgeron would bring would be longterm loyalty to the program. I think he'd stay until we fire him. I don't think the same could be said of a guy like Herman; if he lights the world on fire here (our greatest hope), he'll have his pick of NFL teams before he turns 50. And sooner or later, the right job would come open.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:47 pm to Scoob
You think he would jump? If history has taught us anything, it's that college coaches going to the pro game typically don't work. Harbaugh (until his shite fell apart because he's an a-hole) and Carroll are the exceptions. And I doubt Carroll would have left if he didn't see the writing on the wall at USC. His shite was about to get kicked in if he didn't haul.
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