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You’re full of it. No one can win without the players. When coach O came in Ole Miss was in piss poor shape. However, coach O recruited really well for a university that had lost most of its prestige since it previous glory days. Which is why when Houston Nutt took over the program after him, he was able to win until he exhausted the players’ coach O had recruited after three years, and that’s when his program began degrading again. Nonetheless, don’t take my word for it, go read Meat Market, indeed, go look up what Hugh Freeze says about the situation, as he was there and he knows.

Simple question. Very simple.

Shouldnt a coach that is building a program get better every year? I can't see why they wouldnt.

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coach O is a far better coach and recruiter than Les Miles period, end of story, see you later.

You can't back this up with any facts. It's impossible. Ole Miss had just as much talent as Okie State while Les was there. Compare their records. And that was when the SEC was not near as strong as it has been the last 7-8 years.

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Coach O has acknowledged his many faults while at Ole Miss and the fact that he wasn’t a very good coach, but he has learned from it and moved on. Today, he is a much better delegator who lets his coaches do what they were hired to do, which is to coach.

Jibberish. Pure jibberish.

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Posted by MrVoodoo

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:02 pm to Goldrush25

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There's nothing to see.

11-2 since... just sayin...

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You mean the NFL? What does that have to do with anything?

Perhaps you should look at the rest of what was said and not just cut it off there since I did specify that he was horrible in the NFL... what about the fact he couldn't get a bowl win before coming to LSU? Nothing in his resume screamed "future best coach to ever coach the game" - it is what it is, you have to gamble on whomever you pick (regardless of Herman, Fisher, Orgeron, etc) because you never know what exactly they will do in that particular situation. You guess... and really if O is successful in this situation right now, there's no reason it wouldn't continue.

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Posted by Goldrush25

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:23 pm to MrVoodoo

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Nothing in his resume screamed "future best coach to ever coach the game"

Well Saban started off winning and he got better with every coaching stop in college. There are no slam dunk hires but that's the best indicator of success that you're going to find. He didn't start off a loser, that's for certain.

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You guess... and really if O is successful in this situation right now, there's no reason it wouldn't continue.

There are plenty of reasons, the most glaring of which is that this system where he just sits back and lets his coordinators define the identity of his team isn't sustainable over the long run.

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Posted by MrVoodoo

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:34 pm to Goldrush25

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Well Saban started off winning and he got better with every coaching stop in college.

He actually got worse initially when he moved up to Michigan State, but yes he did improve the program after some time. Lost the Independence Bowl, lost Sun Bowl, and lost Aloha bowl.. again doesn't show someone with the capacity to have the success he has had. It shows potential... much like O's 11-2 record since leaving Ole Miss shows potential. If O wins all but Alabama, to include the bowl game that we'll have gone to - he'll have a 16-3 record as a head coach who took over for a failing head coach at power 5 schools since leaving Ole miss... which ain't shabby at all. Considering the two coaches he's replaced were failing enough to be fired mid-season, 16-3 is not just "ain't shabby" it's pretty damned impressive.

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There are plenty of reasons, the most glaring of which is that this system where he just sits back and lets his coordinators define the identity of his team isn't sustainable over the long run.

So... letting people do the job they were hired to do rather than dictating to them isn't sustainable? Hell dictating what to do is why he was horrible at Ole Miss. Dictating what to do is why Les wasn't able to get an offense to produce like O has. Saban stopped dictating and lets Kiffin do his thing and is successful with that - you're making no sense?

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Posted by Goldrush25

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 3:52 pm to MrVoodoo

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He actually got worse initially when he moved up to Michigan State, but yes he did improve the program after some time

Initially I said Saban brought an 0-11 team to 6-6. Not true, that team had 5 wins vacated, so he brought a 5-6 team to 6-6, eventually to 9-2. Thing is he didn't get worse as the team became more "his" team, he got better.

So you're giving O a pass because he inherited a shite program and got worse. Saban inherited a worse program and got a lot better. I can't even believe we're having a Saban/Orgeron conversation and making qualitative comparisons between the two.

And I'm simply not going to give equal credit to Coach O for interim wins, sorry.

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Posted by bamagreycoat

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 4:32 pm to Goldrush25

I was sitting in Tiger Stadium for the 2002 Bama - LSU game and after that 35-0 beating all the LSU fans were calling for Saban's and Jimbo's heads. Y'all wanted to lynch both of them. This is not a troll at all, I am just trying to remind everybody that any coach is not on fire all the time. Even Herman could come to Red Stick and lose bad his first year all y'all would have immediate buyers remorse then he could turn around and win the SEC the next season. It's all a crap shoot man.

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Posted by MrVoodoo

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Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:10 pm to Goldrush25