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Les' constant meddling or bad OC hires in general?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:58 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:58 am
Which do you blame more for our consistent troubles surrounding our passing offense/QB development? It would sure seem like the former- as our ex-OCs largely had success elsewhere....
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:06 am to oleheat
Les hired people he could meddle with
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:13 am to Dire Wolf
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Les hired people he could meddle with
Such a false narrative.
Les' offensive hires at LSU:
Retained Jimbo.
Hired long term OC and HC Crowton
Hired former OC Studrawa
Brought in Billy Gonzales to help passing game
Hired former OC and HC Kragthorpe
Brought in Adam Henry and Frank Wilson
Hired former OC and HC Cameron
Brought in Grimes
Brought in Craig and Juluke
Miles NEVER brought in yes men.
Some worked out better than others for different reasons but he always brought in highly successful and proven guys from various different philosophies and never went cheap
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:17 am to Tiger Voodoo
Explain why from Studrawa to the day he got fired the offense looked exactly the same. I blame the Parkinson's, who knows what the offense would have looked like if Krags would've had his chance.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:22 am to ThaGenius
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Explain why from Studrawa to the day he got fired the offense looked exactly the same. I blame the Parkinson's, who knows what the offense would have looked like if Krags would've had his chance.
I liked Les Miles a lot, and appreciate all the good things he brought to the program. But what you pointed out is impossible to deny.
Sooner or later, you have to look at the common denominator.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:24 am to oleheat
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Which do you blame more for our consistent troubles surrounding our passing offense/QB development? It would sure seem like the former- as our ex-OCs largely had success elsewhere....
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:41 am to oleheat
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I liked Les Miles a lot, and appreciate all the good things he brought to the program. But what you pointed out is impossible to deny. Sooner or later, you have to look at the common denominator.
Kind of where I've been. Strongly supported and fought to defend Miles from 2005-2011/12. After that, it has been hard to deny that he was trending down in a major way. It almost got to the point during\after the Wisky game that I forgot all the good he had done because I was so pissed at that the lack of offense in that game. Season felt wasted from that moment on, and I started to dislike him. lol
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:43 am to caliegeaux
I still like him as a man. He's a great person, strange as hell, but a genuinely good person. If he wasn't so stubborn I would have loved to keep him. But he lacked the ability to evolve with the game and he had to go.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:45 am to caliegeaux
Yeah I'm not defending Miles or the offense, just pointing out that saying he specifically brought in guys that he could meddle with is just a dumb statement.
Whether he ended up meddling or not, the hires at the time they were made looked like great moves bringing in big names designed to bring the offense out of whatever rut it was stuck in at the time.
Whether he ended up meddling or not, the hires at the time they were made looked like great moves bringing in big names designed to bring the offense out of whatever rut it was stuck in at the time.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 8:51 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:47 am to oleheat
Both
I think Miles would tell them "hey tighten up we're running the ball"
But none of them were great OCs on their own (post Jimbo at least)
I think Miles would tell them "hey tighten up we're running the ball"
But none of them were great OCs on their own (post Jimbo at least)
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:37 am to oleheat
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Miles
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Sooner or later, you have to look at the common denominator
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:43 am to oleheat
Bad and unlucky OC hires.
Crowton - couldn't sustain long term success.
Krags - poor guy got sick.
Stud - inherited one of the best teams in college football history; it was just hard to make a move at OC after that 2011 season.
Cam - should have been a great hire; couldn't transition back to the college game.
Crowton - couldn't sustain long term success.
Krags - poor guy got sick.
Stud - inherited one of the best teams in college football history; it was just hard to make a move at OC after that 2011 season.
Cam - should have been a great hire; couldn't transition back to the college game.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:44 am to oleheat
Was wondering when we'd get around to blaming Miles
Posted on 12/8/16 at 9:58 am to jrodLSUke
What's most odd to me is Crowton clearly had free rein in 2007 and it was the offense that won that NC. So after the bad 2008 experience Les decides NEVER to let the OC do his job again? Not even a different OC? The offense looked like a puckered a-hole from 2009-now, with the anomaly of that NFL talented roster in 2013. I suppose Les decided Strong defense and running game will get him 9-11 wins every year and that's good enough.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Some worked out better than others for different reasons but he always brought in highly successful and proven guys from various different philosophies and never went cheap
Outside of Crowton, none of those guys listed do anything prove my point false.
I cannot speak for Kragthorpe because we never saw it but Stud and Cameron obviously shared a similar vision as Miles. This, in my opinion, is bringing in yes-men. Miles wasn't going to bring in someone young that would challenge is pre-conceived notions.
As for Kragthorpe, it isn't like his offense's at Louisville were blowing the doors off people. His last year they were 71 in score offense. His last period as an OC was A&M in the late 90s, they ran a very similar offense back then.
I am not concerned with Les' hiring of position coaches and recruiters.
There was no philosophy change in LSU's style from 2010 to 2016. Outside of one year with 2 stud NFL WRs, NFL RB and a QB with a massive cannon, the offense was terrible. 2011 was good but that was a function of an elite defense staying off the field. Props to him bringing in that talent but an offense that rely solely on elite talent will struggle in down years.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:20 am to oleheat
Go look at Cam Cameron's resume. There's no way you can convince me he all of a sudden just forgot how to coach QB's when he got here.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:41 am to BayouBengals18
quote:I have said over and over again that Cameron's offense with Ravens was called one of the most antiquated offenses in the NFL.
Go look at Cam Cameron's resume. There's no way you can convince me he all of a sudden just forgot how to coach QB's when he got here.
They were a heavy running team that also liked to throw the deep ball. Ran the fewest 3 wide receiver sets in the NFL and the most 2 TE sets in the NFL. It's extremely hard to take a spread qb and turn them into a pro-style dropback passer.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 12:12 pm to Cadello
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Was wondering when we'd get around to blaming Miles
I admit I overlooked a lot. But in a time when even the most headstrong, control-freak coaches were willing to adapt in order to stay relevant offensively,
he...just...would...not...do...it.
And then it went from occasionally biting us in the arse, to regularly biting us in the arse. And that was that.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 12:14 pm
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